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General Development "There is a reason I use 'old' languages like J or Lush. It's not a retro affectation; I save that for my suits. These languages are designed better than modern ones. There is some survivor bias here; nobody slings PL/1 or Cobol willingly, but modern language and package designers don't seem to learn much from the masters. Modern code monkeys don't even recognize mastery; mastery is measured in dollars or number of users, which is a poor substitute for distinguishing between what is good and what is dumb. Lady Gaga made more money than Beethoven, but, like, so what?" This isn't just a thing among programmers. The entire industry is obsessed with user numbers, number of applications, and other crap that is meaningless when you consider programming to be art. When I post a new item about some small hobby operating system, the comments will be filled with negativity because it's no Windows or iOS, whereas only ten years ago, we'd have lively discussions about the implementation details. And then people wonder why that scene has died out.
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RE[7]: Oh goody
by MOS6510 on Mon 29th Jul 2013 06:42 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Oh goody"
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

I'm in to rap (and other genres) and rap most certainly was MUCH better in the 80's when it was part of a blend of rap (written by the rapper himself) and musical creativity of the DJ.

Today rappers are artists who can't sing. There is no creativity, it doesn't add anything to the song. It's just commercial pop trash.

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RE[8]: Oh goody
by siraf72 on Mon 29th Jul 2013 11:51 in reply to "RE[7]: Oh goody"
siraf72 Member since:
2006-02-22

The last Vanilla Ice stuff I bought was the soundtrack to his film "Cool as Ice". Truly truly awful.

Rap like every genre suffers from the good vs. the commercial. Mind you, I was a big fan of NWA and Dr. Dre (The Chronic). The lyrical content of that music was highly erm, questionable. Then again, Public Enemy's Fight the Power still seems relevant today.

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RE[9]: Oh goody
by MOS6510 on Mon 29th Jul 2013 12:00 in reply to "RE[8]: Oh goody"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I always think too many kids listened to NWA (and 2 Live Crew) and when they became rappers they thought they just needed to swear a bit and pretend to be a gangster.

Obviously NWA was a few levels above that.

De La Soul, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, A Tribe Called Quest, etc... weren't gangsters nor did they pretend to be.

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RE[8]: Oh goody
by Kochise on Mon 29th Jul 2013 13:19 in reply to "RE[7]: Oh goody"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

DJ Format (turntable) and Abdominal (singer) : FTW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhZt4i92aSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQr1u1l-rIU (one shoot)
...

Kochise

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RE[9]: Oh goody
by MOS6510 on Mon 29th Jul 2013 15:38 in reply to "RE[8]: Oh goody"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Très bien!!!

Merci beaucoup!

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RE[8]: Oh goody
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 30th Jul 2013 16:35 in reply to "RE[7]: Oh goody"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

"can't sing" is usually a retort against rap by people who don't like it. So I was assuming you weren't a fan based off of that.

I understand you're going to be insanely stubborn and you're pride just won't let you admit that you're just plain wrong. But seriously Vanilla Ice. QED.

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RE[9]: Oh goody
by MOS6510 on Tue 30th Jul 2013 16:57 in reply to "RE[8]: Oh goody"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I like hiphop, since the 80's, but the rapping is just a part of it. It's the combination of a number of ceative aspects: rap, music and to some extend dancing and culture. I was a street basketballer for some time and hiphop was the music that came with it and I was the one spending time to make the mix tapes.

It's the result of a small group of artists being creative and coming up with a finished product.

What people today view as "rap music" are basically pop songs that feature a rapper.

Vanilla Ice is a nice guy, but his rapping wasn't that good (although he was gone before he could improve it) and much worse was that his music was just pop songs produced by a commercial team. It's hard to find anyone in the hiphop scene who doesn't share that opinion.

But he really is a nice guy, so I wish him well. I even like Ice Ice Baby, but I wouldn't label it hiphop nor would I ever admit this on a basketball court.

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