Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 28th Jul 2013 14:06 UTC
General Development "There is a reason I use 'old' languages like J or Lush. It's not a retro affectation; I save that for my suits. These languages are designed better than modern ones. There is some survivor bias here; nobody slings PL/1 or Cobol willingly, but modern language and package designers don't seem to learn much from the masters. Modern code monkeys don't even recognize mastery; mastery is measured in dollars or number of users, which is a poor substitute for distinguishing between what is good and what is dumb. Lady Gaga made more money than Beethoven, but, like, so what?" This isn't just a thing among programmers. The entire industry is obsessed with user numbers, number of applications, and other crap that is meaningless when you consider programming to be art. When I post a new item about some small hobby operating system, the comments will be filled with negativity because it's no Windows or iOS, whereas only ten years ago, we'd have lively discussions about the implementation details. And then people wonder why that scene has died out.
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RE[7]: Oh goody
by lucas_maximus on Mon 29th Jul 2013 11:49 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Oh goody"
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Your argument is ridiculous.

It is akin to saying that mathematics should be dumbed down so everyone can understand the more complicated theories.

If you want to be able to do something well you have to put time into it. If people want to learn how to program something there is plenty of resources out there for someone to learn ... one of the best (code-academy) is free.

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RE[8]: Oh goody
by Kroc on Mon 29th Jul 2013 12:03 in reply to "RE[7]: Oh goody"
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Accessibility != stupidity

If this were not the case then we'd all be twiddling bits with a magnet on a string because that's how Real Programmers^TM do it.

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RE[9]: Oh goody
by lucas_maximus on Mon 29th Jul 2013 13:33 in reply to "RE[8]: Oh goody"
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I didn't say stupidity did I?

I dunno how much more accessible you want to make programming? There is literally pretty much every resource you need to educate yourself available for nothing.

So far all you have said that more complicated techniques are akin to magic. Which isn't true, because most of the ones you mentioned are well documented with 1000s of examples.

It is pretty much like mathematics, if all you need to know much more than basic arithmetic that is fine ... if you have a job at Boeing they expect you to know a hell of a lot more. (BTW we could talk about the fact that in Pythagoras's time being able to multiply was considered advanced mathematics).

The same applies to programming.

Edited 2013-07-29 13:37 UTC

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