Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Jul 2013 21:19 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia's vice president Bryan Biniak: "We are trying to evolve the cultural thinking [at Microsoft] to say 'time is of the essence'. Waiting until the end of your fiscal year when you need to close your targets, doesn't do us any good when I have phones to sell today." Later Biniak adds: "As a company we don't want to rely on somebody else and sit and wait for them to get it right." There was a simple solution to this problem.
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Stop whining!
by jello on Mon 29th Jul 2013 22:49 UTC
jello
Member since:
2006-08-08

What did you expect?

First you guys buy Symbian.
You control the OS and product timeline.

Then you buy Qt.
You control the OS and product timeline.

Next you kill Symbian, sell Qt and go with Windows-Phone-OS.
You loose control of the OS and product timeline.

Decisions, decisions...

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RE: Stop whining!
by kurkosdr on Mon 29th Jul 2013 23:32 in reply to "Stop whining!"
kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

Next you kill Symbian, sell Qt and go with Windows-Phone-OS.
You loose control of the OS and product timeline.

From a different point of view, Nokia doesn't "get" software (and operating systems in particular), so, it made sense to stop trying to make "their own" OS. After they purchased Symbian ltd, they tried with Symbian for a long period of time, no success. They tried with Linux and waited forever for their MeeGo OS to mature when at the same time the world was filling up with Androids, no dice.

Nokia decided it was in their best interest to stop making OSes, because they just couldn't, and use someone else's OS. If they hadn't picked the wrong OS (Windows Phone) but went with Android, they might not be where they are today.

The best years for Nokia's smartphone line were when Symbian S60 phones where being bought as feature phones by the general public (pre-iPhone days, of course), and that says a lot.

Here are some interesting reads for you, fellow Symbian user:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/symbian_history_part_one_da...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/29/symbian_history_part_two_ui...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/12/symbian_history_part_three_...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/10/nokia_ui_saga/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/11/nokia_meego_inside_story/

Edited 2013-07-29 23:34 UTC

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RE[2]: Stop whining!
by WorknMan on Mon 29th Jul 2013 23:57 in reply to "RE: Stop whining!"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Nokia decided it was in their best interest to stop making OSes, because they just couldn't, and use someone else's OS. If they hadn't picked the wrong OS (Windows Phone) but went with Android, they might not be where they are today.


If you wanna build an Android phone and have it released through carriers, you (unfortunately) still have to hack your own variant of Android, so would they have really been better off? If they couldn't build the OS, would they be able to build their own Sense or Touchwiz? It doesn't matter how slick your hardware is; if you totally botch the bloatware, nobody is going to buy it.

Edited 2013-07-29 23:58 UTC

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RE[2]: Stop whining!
by jello on Tue 30th Jul 2013 00:31 in reply to "RE: Stop whining!"
jello Member since:
2006-08-08

The problem is not that they didn't have much luck creating their own OS. They could have hired the right people in order to fix that. (development, marketing etc.)

The problem is that they gave up control to another company. Now they are like peasants that gave up farming - depending on someone else to feed them. (...but they had enough money to buy seeds on their own and be self sustainable)

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RE[2]: Stop whining!
by TechGeek on Tue 30th Jul 2013 02:15 in reply to "RE: Stop whining!"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Uhh, Symbian was doing well up to the point that Nokia killed it. Before its decline in 2009, they had around 50% of the market share. The reason it died was Nokia announcing that it was dead. While Nokia did other things wrong, the software was not the problem. They did so poorly with Qt that a lot of projects have been switching over to it. Elop kill Nokia, no doubt about it.

Edited 2013-07-30 02:15 UTC

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RE[2]: Stop whining!
by gagol on Tue 30th Jul 2013 05:18 in reply to "RE: Stop whining!"
gagol Member since:
2012-05-16

If Nokia strength is on hardware, the bad news here is it became a commodity some time ago. On a software side of things, open-source is sailing winds those days with few exception. The thing is, they sailed away from their core competence long ago and took ages to realize it. Too bad, I had more Nokias than anything else before but I am not in the market anymore... good luck with that.

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RE[2]: Stop whining!
by przemo_li on Tue 30th Jul 2013 09:45 in reply to "RE: Stop whining!"
przemo_li Member since:
2010-06-01

Bunch of crazy ideas:

Nokia had 2nd biggest app store with profits from this. (Second after Apple App Store).

Nokia had extensive partner ecosystem centred around Symbian.

Nokia had nice migration strategy for its own assets (Symbian, ivo store, qt, maps, ads, hardware division, software division, etc...), their partners business (which would not be disrupted), their carrier clients who liked Nokia headings...

Nokia had great offering for their MOST LOYAL customers, including features Nokia LOYAL customers LOVED (QWERTY keyboards, strong sms, bluetooth, that actually is bluetooth-no-strings-attached).

Nokia had software platform that would continue to enable their crazy (and not so crazy) hardware development (cameras, physical designs, etc...).



In other words MeeGo (this is what I talk about), had EVERY ANSWER RIGHT for Nokia and their partners, and carriers interested in Nokia offerings, and Nokia loyal customers.

Only problem was that MeeGo had no LTE capability (and would not have before Nokia could offer it in WinP).




With WinP:

No Nokia owned app store, and no profits from it.

No Nokia partners. WinP is completely different game. Assets build around years of Symbian could not be reused by partners.

Hardware and software divisions since then been butchered. Other assets either discontinued, spinned off, or sold. Partner ecosystem is non-existing, and carriers hate and distrust WinP as too closly tied to Skype...

Nokia have BIG problems with keeping their users. (To the point where its easier for Nokia to get new user, than to get old one to buy another Nokia handset).

Nokia hardware, software, and designs efforts are strongly limited by what Microsoft is willing to certify for their WinP.

LTE is still no-no for Nokia as EU and USA market shares are too low.. (And other parts of the world are mainly 3G/2G...)




Add to it insult:
Nokia pre Elop did good job products/solutions wise, bad management wise (stronger leadership hence was seen as needed remedy).

After Elop took charge, for few first quarters (and now with NSN), he did good job restructuring, and focusing Nokia efforts (those RECORD PROFITS and GROWTHS...), and then he destroyed that gains (and Nokia brand as a brand) by declaring Nokia products/solutions obsolete/crap/inferior, etc...

So Nokia instead of getting better management, got jerk who fail at 101 of management (Never, ever, ever call your own products bad, never, ever, ever call your product obsolete unless you already have successor ready, never, ever, ever call your product dead in the water, on the day before its launch...)


But You can focus on "but android ..." if you like to ignore real problems.

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