Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Jul 2013 21:19 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia's vice president Bryan Biniak: "We are trying to evolve the cultural thinking [at Microsoft] to say 'time is of the essence'. Waiting until the end of your fiscal year when you need to close your targets, doesn't do us any good when I have phones to sell today." Later Biniak adds: "As a company we don't want to rely on somebody else and sit and wait for them to get it right." There was a simple solution to this problem.
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RE[6]: Stop whining!
by Nelson on Tue 30th Jul 2013 14:18 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Stop whining!"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

I can buy an accelerated demise, or even a slow down in sales but to be the single cause for its demise is unfounded even by the Ratner and Osborne effect. I suggest you do some reading, or learning, given that you brought up business school.

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RE[7]: Stop whining!
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 30th Jul 2013 14:24 in reply to "RE[6]: Stop whining!"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Symbian sales were rising.

Then Elop announced the death of the platform.

Then sales dropped for the first time.

From growth, to dropping.

Do you deny these plain and cold facts?

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RE[8]: Stop whining!
by Nelson on Tue 30th Jul 2013 16:16 in reply to "RE[7]: Stop whining!"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

No, but obviously correlation is not causation. I think it's kind of insane to suggest there's a singular reason like a memo for its demise.

Marketshare was dropping like a rock, and other explanations are just as plausible.

Edited 2013-07-30 16:19 UTC

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RE[8]: Stop whining!
by lucas_maximus on Tue 30th Jul 2013 17:30 in reply to "RE[7]: Stop whining!"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Do you honestly think that a large percentage of people walking into a shop to buy a mobile phone keep upto date on every statement of a CEO?

Edited 2013-07-30 17:30 UTC

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RE[8]: Stop whining!
by zima on Fri 2nd Aug 2013 22:47 in reply to "RE[7]: Stop whining!"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Thom, two more plain and cold facts about the OS:

Symbian was open-sourced (you can grab a code dump at sf).

No company picked up that free OS.


Ponder that for a while...

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RE[7]: Stop whining!
by Vanders on Tue 30th Jul 2013 16:42 in reply to "RE[6]: Stop whining!"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

I can buy an accelerated demise, or even a slow down in sales but to be the single cause for its demise is unfounded even by the Ratner and Osborne effect.

Oh certainly, Nokia's inability to develop Symbian further, and their inability to produce a convincing migration plan, certainly didn't help. But the "Burning Platform" memo is probably the single largest cause of the cliff-like drop off of Symbian sales at that time.

I suggest you do some reading, or learning, given that you brought up business school.

What, precisely, would you suggest I need to read and learn? The analysts reports which almost all mention the "Burning Platform" memo as a factor in the drop in sales of the Symbian platform? The text of the memo itself[1], with such Ratneresque gems as "The first iPhone shipped in 2007, and we still don’t have a product that is close to their experience." or a quote Osborne would be proud of "We thought MeeGo would be a platform for winning high-end smartphones. However, at this rate, by the end of 2011, we might have only one MeeGo product in the market."?

While I agree with you that a lot of people have misunderstood what Burning Platform was all about, the fact is that Elop said and did some things that made a lot of people nervous about the future of Nokia.

[1]: http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/02/09/full-text-nokia-ceo-ste...

Edited 2013-07-30 16:44 UTC

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RE[8]: Stop whining!
by Nelson on Tue 30th Jul 2013 18:57 in reply to "RE[7]: Stop whining!"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

No one attributes either effect to be the single (or even most significant) cause of demise. Just a cause. Which is what I'm saying here, and what you've come to agree with. So either you learned and took a crash course or you realized the error of your ways.

Now this dubious Frankenstein Osborne/Ratner effect that is attributed to Elop makes, what to me, is the rather astounding leap to suggest that an announcement in February caused a sales crash in Q1 (which ends March 31st), which is so unrealistic that its almost laughable.

If Nokia counts sales as shipments into the channel, there's no way the feedback loop from retailers reflected some mythological unified global reaction to a memo in a few short weeks.

I think too many people on OSNews drink the Tomi koolaid. The guy sources numbers from himself. Its unbelievable.

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