Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 6th Aug 2013 12:05 UTC
Legal Good news:

Today a court in Mannheim, Germany, ruled that VP8 does not infringe a patent owned and asserted by Nokia. This decision is an important and positive step towards the WebM Project's ultimate goal: ensuring the web community has an open, high-quality, freely licensed video codec. Google's intervention in the underlying lawsuit (Nokia v. HTC) was a strong show of support for open standards like VP8.

I guess they'll have to dig out another patent somewhere to try and undermine Android, since Nokia isn't having much luck competing with Android by, you know, actually selling stuff. How the mighty have fallen, huh?

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drawing a long bow
by chekr on Tue 6th Aug 2013 12:47 UTC
chekr
Member since:
2005-11-05

Thom,

You draw a long bow in trying to connect this with Android, VP8 is a video codec and is hardly something that gives Google an leverage as to whether a customer chooses an Android or WinPho based device. If it was Microsoft would add it tomorrow.

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RE: drawing a long bow
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 6th Aug 2013 12:51 in reply to "drawing a long bow"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It's a way to get devices banned. A small infringement, et voila, you can ban a device (well, unless Obama steps in, of course). Sadly, that's how this works.

On top of that, there's the issue of raising the costs of Android for OEM. Apple, Microsoft, and Nokia benefit from raising the licensing costs for Android to make Android phones more expensive for consumers.

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RE: drawing a long bow
by some1 on Tue 6th Aug 2013 13:41 in reply to "drawing a long bow"
some1 Member since:
2010-10-05

It's the other way around, Android gives Google a leverage to promote VP8. If someone doesn't want VP8 to succeed, they sue vendors so they become reluctant to include it in their ROMs. If someone just wants to sue a vendor, VP8, being a complex piece of software, gives more opportunities to throw in some patents.

Edited 2013-08-06 13:52 UTC

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RE[2]: drawing a long bow
by lemur2 on Tue 6th Aug 2013 14:39 in reply to "RE: drawing a long bow"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

It's the other way around, Android gives Google a leverage to promote VP8. If someone doesn't want VP8 to succeed, they sue vendors so they become reluctant to include it in their ROMs. If someone just wants to sue a vendor, VP8, being a complex piece of software, gives more opportunities to throw in some patents.


In the mobile world, VP8 is embedded in hardware (ARM SoCs).

http://wiki.webmproject.org/hardware/arm-socs

The latest ARM SoCs, except those from Apple, Qualcomm and Sony, implement VP8 in hardware.

This is due to the fact that VP8 is one of the core media formats within the Android Multimedia Framework:

http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html

If an OEM wants to advertise compliant "Android" from version 2.3 onwards, then their platform must include VP8.

If an OEM implements VP8 in hardware, then an owner of a software patent is out of luck, since patents do not cover the "idea" of an invention, but rather the "method" of implementing an invention. Hardware is not the same method as software.

Edited 2013-08-06 14:42 UTC

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RE: drawing a long bow
by lemur2 on Tue 6th Aug 2013 14:54 in reply to "drawing a long bow"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Thom,

You draw a long bow in trying to connect this with Android, VP8 is a video codec and is hardly something that gives Google an leverage as to whether a customer chooses an Android or WinPho based device. If it was Microsoft would add it tomorrow.


VP8 is a core media format in the Android Multimedia Framework, and it has been since version 2.3 of Android. VP8 is not a capability of either Microsoft nor Apple's mobile platforms.

http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html

Recently, the W3C consortium has been trying to standardise the WebRTC standard. WebRTC would allow browser-to-browser video calls, and hence would be in competition with Skype and facetime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC

The proposed video codec for WebRTC is VP8. WebRTC would therefore currently work in Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Android, but not on Microsoft or Apple mobile platforms.

This is the whole reason why MS patsy Nokia piped up about VP8 in the first place, just after Google had finalised a deal with MPEG LA. The whole point was to try to stymie the WebRTC standard.

Edited 2013-08-06 15:02 UTC

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