Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 6th Aug 2013 12:35 UTC
Internet & Networking

You probably remember the online outrage over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) copyright enforcement proposal. Last week, the Department of Commerce's Internet Policy Task Force released a report on digital copyright policy that endorsed one piece of the controversial proposal: making the streaming of copyrighted works a felony.

This man has been such a deception.

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RE: It's not just Obama
by WorknMan on Tue 6th Aug 2013 17:29 UTC in reply to "It's not just Obama"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

feels like Republicans and Democrats are working off the same playbook, but they both keep the hate machine pumping at full volume because it's easier to do what they want if people are fighting amongst themselves instead of realizing how hard they're being f--ked by both parties and the incredibly rich people they work for.


It feels like that, but it isn't. Otherwise, how far up the political ladder would you have to travel before you got that secret email that said: 'How to f--k over the American people', and then the powers that be would hope you don't tell anyone else. But as we found out recently, there's always an Edward Snowden in the mix ...

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RE[2]: It's not just Obama
by MechaShiva on Tue 6th Aug 2013 18:44 in reply to "RE: It's not just Obama"
MechaShiva Member since:
2005-07-06

That email does exist but that's not how it's worded at all. It talks extensively about protecting "American interests", both at home and abroad, and securing the cooperation of our international partners to ensure a fair and enforceable system for global businesses to thrive in the emerging world market.

You don't need Edward Snowden to uncover press releases.

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RE[2]: It's not just Obama
by lucas_maximus on Tue 6th Aug 2013 19:28 in reply to "RE: It's not just Obama"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The thing is that I simply don't believe it exists.

While this is shitty ...

I don't think it is possible for a Government of the size of the USA to be rotten to the core. It is simply impossible. The recent Snowden leaks are proof of this. There is always someone with enough backbone to actually do this. The economical affect could be profound (10% of cloud computing customers have moved their business from the USA already due to the leaks).

The reality is and this would be apparent to anyone that has ever watched the wire or worked in a large organisation.

There are so many conflicting interests in large organisations by higher up individuals, that an overall big brother is impossible (it was even impossible in Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia).

Everyone envisages a one man with a vision of everything ... it simply isn't possible for one (very) busy man to keep and make a decision about everything and he delegates decisions to those below him.

Edited 2013-08-06 19:34 UTC

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Rotten to-vs.-at the core
by curio on Wed 7th Aug 2013 01:39 in reply to "RE[2]: It's not just Obama"
curio Member since:
2010-05-03

You rightfully reason "rotten to the core" doesn't/can't really exist. You wrongly ascribe the reason for it to the size of the US or other large organizations due to competing interests.
Consider now instead, the difference between your
"rotten to the core" and "rotten at the core".

An apple that is "rotten to the core" is overtly rotten from the outer peel all the way through to its core. There is no mistaking it being rotten even at first glance.

An apple that is only "rotten at the core" still has a clean and shinny outward appearance. Only after close inspection is the rot revealed.

All evil intention is necessarily disguised behind the cleanest facade the perpetrators can muster. This is true in all, evil, agenda driven human endeavors, be they a pedophile lurking near a playground with a box of puppies and a bag of candy intent on rape , torture and murder, or a company's claim that their walled garden is there purely to protect its users and not being about vendor lock-in, vertical integration and ultimate monopoly, or governments removing civil liberties "for the children" or necessary to prevent terrorism and having nothing to do with moving incrementally towards effective, total ownership and control of its population and ultimately the world. That if terrorism wasn't real they would create it if need be to further their ultimate aims.

There is no need for one puppet-master to call all the shots. All that is needed is a pyramidal hierarchical structure with a few well positioned like minded individuals(fellow travelers) at each level of the structure.
In world events, the American president is but a task-master for the real powers that be and a long way from the apex of world power.

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RE[3]: It's not just Obama
by zima on Sat 10th Aug 2013 16:11 in reply to "RE[2]: It's not just Obama"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Emergent behaviour might be even worse - harder to root out.

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