Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 6th Aug 2013 17:55 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

In product lore, high profile gadgets that get killed are often more interesting than the ones that succeed. The Kin, the HP TouchPad, and the Edsel are all case studies in failure - albeit for different reasons. Yet in the history of those killings, nothing compared to the Apple Newton MessagePad. The Newton wasn't just killed, it was violently murdered, dragged into a closet by its hair and kicked to death in its youth by one of technology’s great men. And yet it was a remarkable device, one whose influence is still with us today. The Ur tablet. The first computer designed to free us utterly from the desktop.

'First' is debatable, but this was definitely an interesting product. It was far too complex though, and the simpler, more focussed Palm Pilot then showed the market how mobile computing ought to work - something Apple took to heart a decade later with the iPhone.

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Citation needed
by henderson101 on Wed 7th Aug 2013 15:27 UTC
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2006-05-30

It was far too complex though, and
{citation needed}

By whose standards? The difference between the Newton and a PamlPilot really does come down to the launcher. As previously pointed out, the launcher in the first 2 generations of the PalmOS - right up to the Palm III, had no categories and no way to order the apps. They just appeared as a list of 3 columns and overshot the screen if too many were added. The first Palm devices had no public SDK, and no major support. It wasn't till Pila was released by Darrin Massena, that anyone but large corporations had access to creating apps.

the simpler, more focussed Palm Pilot then showed the market how mobile computing ought to work
{citation needed}

The original PalmPilot was a companion tool. It was meant to augment not replace. It carried your note, agenda and task lists with you. It was never intended to become what it did, that was down to a bunch of users pushing the platform early on.

something Apple took to heart a decade later with the iPhone.
{citation needed}

I'm sorry, this is crap. Plenty of other platforms had reached the simplistic nirvana that *later* PalmOS incarnations had achieved. But there were enough common ideas in the iOS borrowed from Mac, Windows CE and other less well known platforms such as Qtopia and VT-OS (which in turn recycled Palm and Newton.) I still own a PalmPilot Professional, and have done so since 1998, so when you try to claim iOS has anything more than a superficial relationship to PalmOS or that Palm were solely responsible for the genre, I can tell you didn't really use the devices when they first emerged.

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RE: Citation needed
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 7th Aug 2013 15:42 in reply to "Citation needed"
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2005-06-29

I still own a PalmPilot Professional, and have done so since 1998, so when you try to claim iOS has anything more than a superficial relationship to PalmOS or that Palm were solely responsible for the genre, I can tell you didn't really use the devices when they first emerged.


I have written 22,000 words on this very subject. No need to repeat them here.

http://www.osnews.com/story/26838/Palm_I_m_ready_to_wallow_now

Go read it, and you'll see why I claim Palm OS is the basis for what we use today, and why it is VERY clear that Apple took A LOT of inspiration from Palm OS' design principles.

Edited 2013-08-07 15:43 UTC

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RE[2]: Citation needed
by henderson101 on Thu 8th Aug 2013 01:11 in reply to "RE: Citation needed"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Ah, independent research. I stand by {citation needed} because that is about all the importance that your personal opinion piece holds in the world of reality.

I did go and read it, you can go read my comments. I believe I, and others, corrected a few of your misconceptions.

As I said, I actually owned a PalmPilot Pro. I still have it. PalmOS 2.0 is positively archaic on it, and the launcher in palmos 3 stole/borrowed the categories in the launcher from Newton OS's extras tray. Even down to having an "unfiled" category. PalmOS was written on Mac's using Metrowerks Codewarrior. PalmOS stole a lot of its UI cues from the Mac OS (e.g. buttons style, popups style, the way the menu attached to the window) and the structure of a PalmOS app is basically a 68000 code fragment library in Mac exe binary format. They borrowed the resource structure of MacOS, so you could even open a PalmOS apps resources up in Resedit under a Mac and look at them. There was a guy who got Think Pascal under Mac OS to compile PalmOS apps written in Pascal - I can't remember what his site's URL is, but I got it to work, and messed about with it in the noughties. It really was a huge hack, and the OS was single tasking, even though the afx kernel could multitask, because of the way the exe's were essentially shared libraries, not actual exe's.

Selective history is a wonderful way to spread half truths. Pity some of us old timers were actually there to witness reality. :-)

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