Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 6th Aug 2013 17:55 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

In product lore, high profile gadgets that get killed are often more interesting than the ones that succeed. The Kin, the HP TouchPad, and the Edsel are all case studies in failure - albeit for different reasons. Yet in the history of those killings, nothing compared to the Apple Newton MessagePad. The Newton wasn't just killed, it was violently murdered, dragged into a closet by its hair and kicked to death in its youth by one of technology’s great men. And yet it was a remarkable device, one whose influence is still with us today. The Ur tablet. The first computer designed to free us utterly from the desktop.

'First' is debatable, but this was definitely an interesting product. It was far too complex though, and the simpler, more focussed Palm Pilot then showed the market how mobile computing ought to work - something Apple took to heart a decade later with the iPhone.

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RE[7]: Comment by tupp
by ezraz on Wed 7th Aug 2013 18:37 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by tupp"
ezraz
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2012-06-20

I am not sure to what Apple characteristic you refer with your definition of "innovation." You can define innovation however you like, that won't change the fact that Apple doesn't really innovate anything.

But there are a lot of areas in technology that the debates over who was first are no less heated. There's no heat here, except from those who are trying to avoid getting down to the nitty-gritty. Have you anything to add to the list of items that Apple innova... originated?


Apple originated the idea that mass-produced machines should work the way humans want them to.

Apple originated the idea that mass-produced computers have a market at all.

Apple originated the idea that there is a such thing as superior product design and getting 95%+ satisfaction ratings from paying customers.

Apple originated the idea that all of their devices just work together without random driver updates.

Apple seems to be the only computer company these days willing to use real sales numbers, not shipped but not sold numbers.

Apple originated the idea that you can sell a product with just the right amount of features.

Apple originated good technology. Sorry you are so mad about it. My day is full of using my technology, I have a feeling yours if full of fighting with yours.

I program, produce, propagate, and consume all day and night from a mac, and have been running macbooks without a single hardware problem for about 10 years straight now. I run them hard too, moving to about 15 locations a week to work.

That's not marketing friend, that's production. Go into production centers of most companies and you see macs. Freelancers with no time to spare. People on deadlines with paying clients use macs more so than others, and it was that way even before itunes, ipods, iphones, and ipads. This consumer thing is relatively new for apple.

Edited 2013-08-07 18:43 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by tupp
by JAlexoid on Thu 8th Aug 2013 12:20 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by tupp"
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Apple seems to be the only computer company these days willing to use real sales numbers, not shipped but not sold numbers.

Apple's sold is more of a lie, than Samsung's shipped.

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RE[9]: Comment by tupp
by ezraz on Thu 8th Aug 2013 12:27 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by tupp"
ezraz Member since:
2012-06-20

"Apple seems to be the only computer company these days willing to use real sales numbers, not shipped but not sold numbers.

Apple's sold is more of a lie, than Samsung's shipped.
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Please explain this.

Apple reports "Sales" as those to real people for real uses at real prices. There aren't 800k iPhones sitting at BestBuys and Walmarts around the world unsold, on clearance, counting as sales.

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