Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 9th Aug 2013 11:01 UTC
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President Barack Obama hosted Apple CEO Tim Cook, AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson, Google computer scientist Vint Cerf and other tech executives and civil liberties leaders on Thursday for a closed-door meeting about government surveillance, sources tell POLITICO.

Five hundred years ago, our ancestors started the fight to separate church and state. Now it's time we separate corporation and state.

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Comment by stabbyjones
by stabbyjones on Fri 9th Aug 2013 11:34 UTC
stabbyjones
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2008-04-15

Are you saying our inability to function without internet based tracking devices and world government taking advantage of that is the same as the renaissance?

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RE: Comment by stabbyjones
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 9th Aug 2013 11:40 in reply to "Comment by stabbyjones"
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2005-06-29

No, I'm saying that corporations having such massive influence over and access to the government bears an eery similarity to the influence the church had in the past.

I'm not saying it's the same - I'm saying it's similar in many ways.

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RE[2]: Comment by stabbyjones
by ricegf on Fri 9th Aug 2013 11:46 in reply to "RE: Comment by stabbyjones"
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2007-04-25

In many ways. Under new regulations, US citizens are required to conduct business with government-approved corporations or face a fine... I mean, additional taxes. A fair analogy to government-sponsored religion, I think.

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RE[2]: Comment by stabbyjones
by Alfman on Fri 9th Aug 2013 15:17 in reply to "RE: Comment by stabbyjones"
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2011-01-28

Thom Holwerda,

"Five hundred years ago, our ancestors started the fight to separate church and state. Now it's time we separate corporation and state."

Begin rant...
I've been saying this a long time now, corporations shouldn't be entitled to any influence in Washington at all, no lobbyists or anything. Let them compete in the free market without power to corrupt government policy. In democracy people should be at the top of the food chain and it's only to the extent that corporations are helping us advance *our* goals that a corp deserves any kind of governmental role. People often criticize public entitlements, but corporate entitlements are just as bad if not worse because the government is SUPPOSED to be FOR THE PEOPLE, sheesh!

Kick all corporations out of washington! Repeal this "corporations are people too" baloney. Corporations need to be making their case to the PUBLIC and only if WE agree then government policy can be amended, no going behind public backs in closed rooms.

Furthermore we need to eliminate distinctions between "government" and "people". A government must not have any authority above the people, we should be one and the same. It seems the founding fathers knew this, and yet here we are today serving our government's whims, much of which is controlled by wealthy corporate interests.


Edit: Had our ancestors known just how powerful corporations would eventually become, they would have separated corporations from government just like they separated religions from government.

Edited 2013-08-09 15:27 UTC

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