Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th Aug 2013 11:01 UTC, submitted by Matt
SkyOS This is surprising.

We suggest using VMWare Player (Windows/Linux) or VMWare Fusion (MacOS) to run the Live CD or install the beta. Install SkyOS to your harddisk or run the Live CD natively on your own risk!

To run SkyOS in VMWare just:

  • create a new virtual machine and point it to the ISO image you downloaded
  • give it at least 2GB of RAM
  • use a virtual IDE harddisk (we don't suggest using a physical partition in order to prevent possible data loss)
  • optionally Install SkyOS from the running Live CD to get all available applications and utilities

SkyOS was quite prominent on OSNews between 2003-2008 - it was coded virtually entirely by Austrian Robert Szeleney in his free time. It achieved a relatively usable state on the desktop - especially considering it was a one man project - but it did suffer from what I call the 'ooh shiney!'-syndrome - it was a hobby project for Szeleney, and as such, focus tended to shift around quite often, depending on whatever he wanted to work on at that time.

SkyOS originally started out as a mere bootloader, but eventually expanded into becoming an entire operating system. In the early days - up until version 4.x - SkyOS was freely available, but it wasn't open source (I believe the 1.x versions may have been, though, I can't recall). After that, Szeleney started charging a small fee for access to the SkyOS 5 beta, which some considered controversial. The SkyOS 5.0 release cycle started with its first alpha release in December 2003, and ended with the release of beta build 6947 in August 2008 - a final release never materialised.

The project seemed to fizzle out, but Szeleney did experiment with using third party kernels, like a BSD kernel or a Linux kernel. That was the last we heard of it - and earlier this year, the website went dark.

So, it's quite a surprise to see that over the weekend, Szeleney has made the last beta release of SkyOS 5.0 - build 6947 - available for free. I somehow doubt we'll see development pick up again, but it's nice to have the latest release out in the open for everyone to play with.

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RE: Comment by v_bobok
by Adam S on Mon 12th Aug 2013 14:14 UTC in reply to "Comment by v_bobok"
Adam S
Member since:
2005-04-01

Seriously? The most important OSes out there today are Windows, Mac OS, iOS, and Android (through in Windows Phone and BB10). NONE are fully open source.

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by Radio on Mon 12th Aug 2013 14:32 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Does anything running on real hardware is ever fully open source?

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RE[3]: Comment by v_bobok
by ssokolow on Mon 12th Aug 2013 15:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

Does anything running on real hardware is ever fully open source?


I'm close and it's not painful.

If I were to ditch the nVidia binary drivers, install Lightspark (requires PulseAudio) instead of Adobe Flash, and uninstall oDesk Team, the only closed-source component on the desktop I use for day-to-day life would be my BIOS.

(I also have Opera, Skype, and some games where the engines haven't been opened up (eg. Arx Libertatis) or re-implemented (eg. OpenTTD, Stepmania), but I use those so rarely these days that I don't count them. Opera will be gone as soon as enough people migrate to 15.0 that I don't need to test my creations against Presto anymore and Skype will be gone as soon as I figure out why my m0n0wall config hates WebRTC.)

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by drcouzelis on Mon 12th Aug 2013 15:34 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
drcouzelis Member since:
2010-01-11

Yes, seriously. And no, not in a "open source is DA BEST!!" sort of way.

Windows and Mac OS X are incredibly well established and current.

Releasing a five year old closed source version of SkyOS will allow people to install it and say, "Huh. That's neat." and then do NOTHING with it.

As excited as I was to see news about SkyOS today, what's the point of this? I could have had pretty much the same experience by watching a YouTube video of SkyOS. :/

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by Nelson on Mon 12th Aug 2013 16:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

The point of the source is for others to learn off of and possibly continue its development. I don't see it so much as an ideological thing. Its up to the author though, but still, there isn't much value in this beyond "hey that's cool" without the source

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 12th Aug 2013 16:30 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

While, I agree the parent was pretty juvenile, The most important operating system list would have to include a Gnu/linux distribution. Probably Red Hat Enterprise Linux,SUSE, Debian or Ubuntu. Are they 100% open source? well it depends on you're definition of "source code" and your definition of "operating system".


Edit: Its also worth considering that no one would have considered Nextstep/openstep to be an important Operating system in the early to mid 90's. I doubt that Sky will rise from the ashes, but its important to consider when looking at operating systems. I think a lot of BeOS, also inspired a lot of stuff that made its way into Other operating systems. Which, retroactively makes it kind of important.

Edited 2013-08-12 16:34 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by v_bobok
by BlueofRainbow on Wed 14th Aug 2013 14:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok"
BlueofRainbow Member since:
2009-01-06

Maybe we should be qualifying "relevance":

There could be commercial relevance - of which SkyOS never was and BeOS had a bit in its time.

There could be genealogic relevance - of which BeOS has quite a lot. For example, isn't Bonjour (OS X) a replication of the ease of querying the Be File System?

From what I remember, SkyOS was constantly in beta because of its never ending experimentation with concepts from other operating system. Hence, genealogic relevance of SkyOS would be extremely limited.

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by Gone fishing on Mon 12th Aug 2013 19:11 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
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2006-02-22

[sarcasm] Absolutely - Linux and BSD servers are almost unheard of and you almost never find Linux or BSD being used in devices routers etc and absolutely no one uses Linux on Desktops etc

Yep open-source is totally irreverent.[/sarcasm]

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RE[3]: Comment by v_bobok
by Adam S on Mon 12th Aug 2013 19:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Oh Jesus, internetters. Obviously, I meant consumer OSes. Linux is still largely irrelevant to the average Joe, because it just doesn't exist "user-facing" in many places. Embedded sure, but this is a for-desktop OS.

Edited 2013-08-12 19:26 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by Soulbender on Tue 13th Aug 2013 03:01 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

So what? Those aren't hobby OS's and SkyOs is not going to be one of the most important OS's out there anytime soon or ever.
What we have now is a toy that you can install and say "oh that's cute" and then move on to any other OS that is actually useful.
Actually, we don't even have a toy since the site is not even up.
There's really no good reason to make your hobby OS closed-source in 2013. If it was OSS at least it could go somewhere and see some development.
All you will gain from being a closed-source hobby OS is a one-way ticket to IrrelevantVille.

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RE[3]: Comment by v_bobok
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 13th Aug 2013 06:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Right, because open source will change that.

LOL.

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RE[2]: Comment by v_bobok
by rhetoric.sendmemoney on Tue 13th Aug 2013 21:24 in reply to "RE: Comment by v_bobok"
rhetoric.sendmemoney Member since:
2006-01-22

That is ridiculous, Linux is arguably the backbone of the internet and it is fully open source.

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