Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 13th Aug 2013 11:48 UTC
Oracle and SUN

Business magnate Larry Ellison thinks that without Steve Jobs -- "our Edison" and "our Picasso" -- Apple corporation is in trouble.

Larry Ellison was one of Jobs' closest friends. Then again, this is the same Ellison who presided over one of the most idiotic and - for Oracle - disastrous lawsuits in technology history.

Update: A few new tidbits from the interview: Google is "completely evil" because of Java, and the mass surveillance by the US government is "absolutely necessary". So, aside from being utterly delusional (the Google and Java thing), he also does not believe in civil rights, and would much rather everyone give up their privacy and right to free speech.

What a tool. No wonder nobody cares about Oracle.

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Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Tue 13th Aug 2013 14:36 UTC
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2011-05-12

A lot of people have done very well somewhere and failed elsewhere. This includes Apple employees and even Steve Jobs. He nearly destroyed Apple on his first tour and NeXT never got anywhere.

I guess it's a case of the right person at the right place at the right time.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by christian on Tue 13th Aug 2013 15:16 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
christian Member since:
2005-07-06

A lot of people have done very well somewhere and failed elsewhere. This includes Apple employees and even Steve Jobs. He nearly destroyed Apple on his first tour and NeXT never got anywhere.


NeXT did very well flogging itself to Apple.

But sure, without the Apple intervention, NeXT and OPENSTEP would have died. I wonder how the world would be now had the favorite at the time, BeOS, been snapped up as MacOS X.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by jazman777 on Tue 13th Aug 2013 15:54 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
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2013-02-27

I wonder how the world would be now had the favorite at the time, BeOS, been snapped up as MacOS X.


Please don't torture Thom.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by v_bobok on Tue 13th Aug 2013 16:46 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
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2008-08-01

On the surface you wouldn't see any change anyway. BeOS's kernel and internals as foundation for OS X would've been much MUCH faster on the same old hardware and like a Warp Drive on the new ones.

In another parallel universe somewhere, perhaps.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by moondevil on Wed 14th Aug 2013 06:26 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
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2005-07-08

But sure, without the Apple intervention, NeXT and OPENSTEP would have died. I wonder how the world would be now had the favorite at the time, BeOS, been snapped up as MacOS X.


Opening the what if box:

- Jobs wouldn't have joined Apple again

- All the nice iDevices might not have been created

- Objective-C would be an history footnote

- I doubt effort would be spent making Mac OS X (BeOS) UNIX compatible

- Hackers might have not jumped ship to Mac OS X from GNU/Linux as UNIX support wouldn't be available and the system language would be C++ (hated by all Linus followers).

So looking how things happened with Jobs on board, and being old enough to know the old Apple, I imagine buying BeOS instead might have lead to Apple joining Commodore, Atari, Acorn and friends.

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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by Soulbender on Tue 13th Aug 2013 19:19 in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I guess it's a case of the right person at the right place at the right time.


Also known as "luck".

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