Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 15th Aug 2013 22:46 UTC, submitted by JRepin
KDE The KDE Software Compilation 4.11 has been released.

Gearing up for long term maintenance, Plasma Workspaces delivers further improvements to basic functionality with a smoother taskbar, smarter battery widget and improved sound mixer. The introduction of KScreen brings intelligent multi-monitor handling to the Workspaces, and large scale performance improvements combined with small usability tweaks make for an overall nicer experience.

This release marks massive improvements in the KDE PIM stack, giving much better performance and many new features. Kate improves the productivity of Python and Javascript developers with new plugins, Dolphin became faster and the educational applications bring various new features.

This release of KDE Platform 4.11 continues to focus on stability. New features are being implemented for our future KDE Frameworks 5.0 release, but for the stable release we managed to squeeze in optimizations for our Nepomuk framework.

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by _txf_ on Fri 16th Aug 2013 13:27 UTC in reply to "RE: ..."
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Member since:
2008-03-17

What is so bad about it? I mean, other than the fact that you don't like them...

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by Coxy on Fri 16th Aug 2013 13:45 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

I find that the icons looks tacky and are inconsistent (shape, form lighting) - too much like those horrible crystal icons that for whatever reason some people liked.

The file manager is complete mess panels here there and everywhere with a sort of window within a window effect because of plastering panels and bars on all sides of the file/folder view thingy.

I also don't personally like the fodler sidebar fly out things - whatever they are called.

I mainly a windows user but use linux in VMs to run webservers and to develop in, but I have always found KDE to be gnomes ugly kid brother. I think gnome 3 is better than kde and suits the way I work more... but compared to apple (which I don't own - i'm no fanboi), or windows certain things about linux desktops are just not right... there is something about it I find odd... whether it is unity or any other DE. Maybe it's the mouse pointer or the speed the mouse moves or the responsiveness of windows and widgets but it doesn't feel to me like a real product, like there's something wrong about it - something the ios and windows have that linux doesn't.

Sort of like vegan cakes and deserts... they look like the real thing but there's something about them that gives them away, or feels wrong - but you can't say wat it is.

Edited 2013-08-16 13:49 UTC

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by acobar on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:06 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

May you please give us one example of good and consistent look for a file manager? Please, do not call it OSX finder as its scroll buttons are nothing but distracting and, in my opinion ugly. Also, please, avoid any MS thing using the new ribbon, they are, to me, a bad joke, why I would sacrifice space on my screen to have them there "all the time"? On a text editor, I like to have most space free to read what I am on, on spreadsheets it also steal precious space, an on an on.

There are things I like on OSX, like monochrome icons on toolbars and the quality of their icons but all around the system there are inconsistencies here and there. On windows front, well, their icons are far from what I could consider top quality and I really dislike the path they are "cruising" even though I agree that makes sense to have the spaces they are allocating on a touch system, but not on a desktop and even less a whole app alone on anything > 15", that is pure nonsense.

Anyway, this talk about consistency throughout the system is a bit boring and overrated in my opinion. Now we have icons with exactly same shape, like rounded, all over the places for what reason? Are them easier to spot? No. Is the form restrictive on what first sight recognition they may transmit? Yes.

KDE is not perfect, but it can be easily customized to my taste like no other DE can. I like that. Most of its native apps are very good and not crippled, far better situation than what we see by default on others DEs. Yes, on MS camp you can find apps that are better than some of the ones that come with KDE and many top KDE apps are based on what were good apps for Windows/OSX (like K3b/Easy CD Creator 4, Scribus/Pagemaker, Dolphin/OSX Finder) and extended. Some KDE apps are top quality, like Digikam, Kate, KDevelop and Amarok (I prefer the old interface present on what was forked as Clementine). Anyway, KDE reached a point where most of the users needs are well contemplated on default installs. Before someone complain, I know that Scribus is a Qt app.

As I said many times, the only thing missing for me is Autocad, the rest is just your or mine opinion anyway.

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by _txf_ on Fri 16th Aug 2013 21:27 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

I find that the icons looks tacky and are inconsistent (shape, form lighting)
What is inconsistent in the lighting? they're all lit from the top. The Shapes all follow the same design language, most of them you'd find almost exactly the same on any OS.

You don't like them, that's fine, but I think your reasons are a little superficial.

The file manager is complete mess panels here there and everywhere with a sort of window within a window effect because of plastering panels and bars on all sides of the file/folder view thingy.

Dolphin can be as simple or complex as you want it. None of the panels are required. I think even the defaults are quite sensible, No different from Nautilus.

but compared to apple (which I don't own - i'm no fanboi), or windows certain things about linux desktops are just not right

Why would using OSX (I assume that is what you mean by Apple) make you a fanboy?

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by lucas_maximus on Fri 16th Aug 2013 14:20 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

One of the things I really don't like about KDE's look is the fact that a lot of things seem to be out of proportion.

One of my first jobs was using HTML/CSS framework to make grid based websites using the company's CMS. I have a pretty good eye for spotting poor alignment or poorly thought out proportions.

Everything just seems a little bit off in terms of what you would call in Web dev paddings and borders widths/height.

Constrast seems to be all over the place (Windows 7 Aero was bad with this as well and Windows 8 you can't disable it without hacking the uxtheme.dll :|).

These might seem like nit-picky things, but there are just so many little things that I haven't mentioned.

I am sure KDE is very technically good, I know you can theme it, change the icons but I really don't want to be mucking about that much when I think it would be obvious to most designers that it is iffy.

I think this explains the problem with KDE better than I ever could.

http://www.27bslash6.com/brochure.html

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by Coxy on Fri 16th Aug 2013 14:53 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

Funny ;)

Martin is like a lot of people. They think that because they have a graphics editing program and a vector editor that they are designers.

This happened in the 80s too when DTP software. Every one and their dog fired the graphic designers and got their secretaries to layout and design everything.

They discoverd shortly afterwards, that yes, they can now do it themselves, but they can only do it very badly.

But you see this in all walks of live... car drivers thinking they can drive F1, people with an ikea kitchen thinking they could work for ramsey.... etc. etc.

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by ThomasFuhringer on Mon 19th Aug 2013 07:46 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
ThomasFuhringer Member since:
2007-01-25

I would say the main design issue with KDE is padding - too much of it, and usually also too much of it in Qt apps in general. It is because Qt by default uses too much padding and developers would need to reduce it. But in most cases they do not realise it.
All this wasted space makes apps look somewhat comicy and unprofessional. Granted, childish icons add their part in many cases...

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