Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:10 UTC
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In the past two months, Microsoft and Google have been bickering over one central issue: HTML5. The Verge has learned that Google is forcing Microsoft to build its YouTube Windows Phone app in HTML5, despite its own Android and iOS versions using superior native code. Although Microsoft has offered to build ad support along with making other tweaks as Google has requested, a full HTML5 app isn't currently possible on the platform.

The difficult thing here is that Google actually has a very good case; it's their API, their service, their rules. On top of that, YouTube publishers - big and small - need to earn money from advertisements too, and incorrect implementations make that harder. Microsoft's mafia practices regarding patents, extorting companies to pay for Android use even though Microsoft has contributed zero code to Android plays a role too. Lastly, Windows Phone is essentially irrelevant with 3% market share - it's not as if Microsoft ever concerned itself with minority platforms.

Still, all this does is hurt consumers, no matter how few Windows Phone users there are. Just work this out, please, you bunch of children.

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You missed the dominance aspect.
by dsmogor on Fri 16th Aug 2013 16:36 UTC
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Member since:
2005-09-01

Services replaced platforms but the old mechanics remain.
Google is using Youtube protocol and license to sidestep WP the same way MS has used of Word formats to prevent Linux and Ooo from being successful alternative to Windows and MSO. Theoretically everyone can switch to vimeo but this is about as probable as was everyone dumping MSO along with their documents.
That MS fully deserves their fate now doesn't mean Google isn't running on the verge of anti-competitive practices.
The fact that MS doesn't want to cooperate anyway (counting on bringing Google to EC or DOJ) only adds another dimension to the case.

Edited 2013-08-16 16:52 UTC

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tkeith Member since:
2010-09-01

Did you read the article? While on the face it looks like Google is purposely blocking a Windows Phone Youtube app, it's only because of the way Microsoft is trying to make it look that way. Microsoft made it seem like they were trying to work with Google, but in reality they refused to rewrite their app and just threw their old one back up without fully addressing the concerns.

I wish Google would themselves make an HTML5 Youtube app, which could possible be used on Firefox OS, Ubuntu, ect. But according to Microsoft's own people you can't on WP8. Maybe Google was trying to show how WP8's HTML is broken and it backfired.

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

If Android can feature a native YT app so should be able other OSes, as simple as that.
Of course provided all licensing obligations are obeyed.

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cdude Member since:
2008-09-21


how WP8's HTML is broken and it backfired.

That brings us to the central points. First Microsoft not allows another browser then IE on WP. Second IE on WP8 is not up to simple tasks like a HTML5 youtube player cause it cannot embed videos, misses essential functionality you find in Safari, Firefox and Chrome but not in IE on WP8. There even exist HTML5 youtube players already but cause Microsoft not allows other browsers on WP ... gottcha.

I agree that is a childish game but hey, its not Google who started that and its not Google's fault that WP8 has such limitations. Its also not Google who wants something here, its Microsoft.

I also question that Google forces Microsoft to use HTML5. Point is the new native app, that just got blocked, not delivers ads like the iOS and Android apps do. Microsoft wrote they not know how but heck, Microsoft reversed engineed the whole app so sure they do know how! Its just they not implemented this central revenue-stream, this central point in the youtube-terms, and so they got blocked again for still the very same reason they got blocked the first time.

There is the detail that this, Microsoft's, issue is used and pushed to mass-media by Microsoft's lawyer and chief in Google-antitrust campaign. That explains why it happens, why Microsoff pushed the app even if it clearly still violates the terms. The HTML5 bla, openess bla, is smoke in the mirror. Microsoft does this as part of its google-fight and its customers pay the bill. Rude, get used to it.

Edited 2013-08-16 20:57 UTC

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