Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Aug 2013 14:05 UTC
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The partner of the Guardian journalist who has written a series of stories revealing mass surveillance programmes by the US National Security Agency was held for almost nine hours on Sunday by UK authorities as he passed through London's Heathrow airport on his way home to Rio de Janeiro.

David Miranda, who lives with Glenn Greenwald, was returning from a trip to Berlin when he was stopped by officers at 8.05am and informed that he was to be questioned under schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. The controversial law, which applies only at airports, ports and border areas, allows officers to stop, search, question and detain individuals.

Miranda also had all his equipment confiscated. He has done nothing wrong - there's no charges, no criminal suspicion, nothing at all. His only crime is being the partner of a famous journalist who, among other things, is one of the driving forces behind shining a light on the NSA's mass surveillance.

There is no war on terror, because the terrorists have already won.

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Excuses
by CapEnt on Mon 19th Aug 2013 14:32 UTC
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2005-12-18

Terrorism is just the long waited excuse that anachronic fascist people hidden in XXI century needed to rot the very core of democracy to the ground.

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RE: Excuses
by Tuishimi on Mon 19th Aug 2013 16:36 in reply to "Excuses"
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2005-07-06

Well, terrorism is terrorism, but I agree that the gov't responses have been extreme and perhaps detrimental in some cases.

What really rots a democracy is a lack of focused morality - and that is not something easily overcome because a democracy invites all kinds of belief systems with differing viewpoints, differing levels of acceptance, differing EVERYTHING. The melting pot can make a democracy strong but also weaken it.

To compensate, governments alternately attempt to tighten or loosen control, to legislate, remove legislation... sort of a constant state of flux. Usually it ends up going too far in one direction and Rome falls.

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RE[2]: Excuses
by tylerdurden on Mon 19th Aug 2013 16:55 in reply to "RE: Excuses"
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2009-03-17

For what it is worth morality is relative, and Rome fell as an empire.

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RE: Excuses
by Luis on Tue 20th Aug 2013 09:37 in reply to "Excuses"
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2006-04-28

This brings us to ask ourselves: who is really behind (sponsors?) terrorism?

Who, in other words, needs terrorism more than anyone else to keep control and power in "democratic" societies? Who would really lose all this power if terrorism suddenly disappeared of the equation and we could have more truly democratic societies and fair relationships between all countries?

To whom is terrorism really useful?

Quite scary questions to ask.

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RE[2]: Excuses
by isaba on Tue 20th Aug 2013 09:44 in reply to "RE: Excuses"
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2006-12-30

Good point. In the detectives films, the first question is "who benefits from the crime?". "Follow the money" also works very well.

I strongly believe that in no other period in History the powerful have had so perfect means to control the general population as now. Information is power, you know...

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