Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Aug 2013 10:27 UTC, submitted by l3v1
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So. There we are. The foundation of Groklaw is over. I can't do Groklaw without your input. I was never exaggerating about that when we won awards. It really was a collaborative effort, and there is now no private way, evidently, to collaborate.

I'm really sorry that it's so. I loved doing Groklaw, and I believe we really made a significant contribution. But even that turns out to be less than we thought, or less than I hoped for, anyway. My hope was always to show you that there is beauty and safety in the rule of law, that civilization actually depends on it. How quaint.

Quaint indeed.

Groklaw is shutting down. A huge loss, as the site's contributions to various ridiculous lawsuits, like the SCO one about Linux, or the even crazier one from Oracle about Java, were invaluable. The reasons are sound, though - without secure, private communications, the collaborative effort that is Groklaw cannot function.

A sad day.

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What changed today compared to yesterday?
by avgalen on Tue 20th Aug 2013 13:01 UTC
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

"without secure, private communications, the collaborative effort that is Groklaw cannot function."

As we know now, communications haven't been secure/private for the last years and maybe never have been. That never stopped Groklaw from functioning.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

People lived in the illusion that secret services also respect the law.

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Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Would they ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJiYrRcfQo

If they have to sneak and/or infiltrate, they do not respect the gentlemen manner of asking permission, thus, by definition, are breaking the law (trespassing, etc)

But, you know, it's for our best interest, of course.

Kochise

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ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

It was suggested somewhere that maybe PJ received a formal request to get all the communications wiretaped.

That would be a more convincing reason to bail than a sudden revelation of the lack of privacy in internet, and while I doubt Growklaw would be a high profile target for the NSA then neither are millions of inbound and outbout communications to and fro the US... yet there they are.

Edited 2013-08-20 19:23 UTC

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, there are a lot of paranoid people in society that are members of just about every social group out there. Anything that confirms even a little bit of their suspicions, they freak out and assume everything they've ever suspected *must* be true. Its stupid. The implications of everything snowden revealed is what has happened over the past 10 years. So, with the government listening to everything I've been doing the consequences seem pretty trivial. Does that mean its ok for them to be listening? of course not. But if they do, it doesn't really affect my life that much. They've been pretty much okay with the things I've been doing, apparently. I shouldn't have to radically change the way I do anything, especially things that bring great benefits to other people, in order to continue doing things I already do. Its kind of a shame if I were to.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I might be vilified for saying this. But Larry Ellison said during his interview "The credit card companies know probably as much about you or more".

Edited 2013-08-20 19:38 UTC

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