Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Aug 2013 22:18 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

"BlackBerry has a thriving ecosystem with BlackBerry 10." That's what CEO Thorsten Heins said this May at a developer conference before revealing that users had a choice of 120,000 apps from its still-young app market, BlackBerry World. The problem is that over a third of those apps come from a single developer. Yes, a Hong Kong-based company called S4BB has published just under 47,000 apps to BlackBerry World since launch. That's not a good sign of a "thriving ecosystem."

This is what happens when the technology press lets itself be dictated by companies. The companies were the ones who started touting quantity over quality when it comes to mobile application stores, and the press played right into their hands. In a statement to The Verge, BlackBerry confirms the issue, but states that it's not actually an issue at all. Of course they say that. They want to keep touting that number.

Companies wanted this to be a numbers game, and now it is. Go into any mobile application store, and 99.9% of the applications in it are crap. Comparing numbers reveals nothing. It never has, and never will.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 23rd Aug 2013 11:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

From 3% market share to 3.6%.

Onward!

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Fri 23rd Aug 2013 11:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

They outgrew the market, increased volumes, ramped out their product line up, and have been snatching up enterprise deals left and right.

3.0 to 3.6 includes markets they don't compete in, or have ever been competitive in.

I think there's a reason you don't break things down regionally. Windows Phone and Nokia have significantly increased their share in many European regions. That would mess up the picture you've been so desperately trying to paint.

I'm just wondering at what point do people stop believing the snarky lead ins or the silly projections and start looking at the facts. It is a fact Lumia has grown significantly in the past few quarters. It is a fact that BBRY (which did the opposite strategy) is about to be chopped up and sold for parts.

Those are the inconvenient truths you hide from. Maybe not every Nokia quarter has been ad disastrous as you try to paint it. Anyway, October 19th isn't too far off, so I eagerly await your spinning their results.

The story has evolved from Windows Phone/Lumia isn't selling, to they're not selling enough, to their not growing their share astronomically fast enough to move the needle. I didn't think I had to remind you how fast the smartphone market grew in 2012, so outpacing that is definitely quite the achievement.

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RE[5]: Comment by Nelson
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 23rd Aug 2013 11:52 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Nelson"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I don't break down per region because doing so is disingenuous. Apple does it all the time, making the mindless Apple fanatics think Apple is doing great just because it's doing well in the US - even though it's tanking everywhere else. Why would I employ a different policy for Windows Phone? Just to make you happy?

We've been told for years now that the *next* Lumia will turn everything around. That Lumia is yet to arrive. It's gonna be the next one, right? for reals?

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RE[5]: Comment by Nelson
by MOS6510 on Fri 23rd Aug 2013 11:59 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Nelson"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

My Lumia 800 is a company phone, although I did pay extra to get it and not settle some cheap crappy phone.

When it's time to get a new phone I'd go for a Lumia again.

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RE[5]: Comment by Nelson
by tylerdurden on Fri 23rd Aug 2013 18:40 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Nelson"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Have you considered the possibility that you could very well be projecting your own selective reading and parsing of facts, in order to make your pro-nokia narrative work as well?

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RE[5]: Comment by Nelson
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 26th Aug 2013 04:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Nelson"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

When Lumia sales eclipse the sales that Symbian had in 2007 ( or what ever their peek was) . That's when a lot of people will say that windows phone has made it. Despite the increase in Lumia sales, it has't replaced symbian profits or market share. That's why people are calling it a failure. If nokia were a start up similar to Jolla, they'd call it a success. But they destroyed an existing business to build what is for now a smaller one.

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