Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 26th Aug 2013 14:52 UTC

Nokia is preparing to back Windows RT by launching a 10.1-inch tablet soon. Sources familiar with Nokia's plans have revealed to The Verge that the tablet, codenamed Sirius, will be launched shortly. While prototype pictures of the device leaked earlier this month, we understand that the final design more closely resembles Nokia's Lumia Windows Phone products.

Nice specifications, but Windows RT. Nobody wants Windows RT, and for good reason. I say this from experience: Windows RT is horrible. It offers nothing over iOS (let alone Android), Metro applications are side projects riddled with bugs, performance issues, and bad design, and the platform barely plays third fiddle compared to iOS and Android, so developers have little interest in it. On top of that, virtually everyone has abandoned Windows RT.

But, I'm pretty sure some people will tell us this tablet will turn Nokia around.

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RE[6]: Comment by _cynic_
by allanregistos on Tue 27th Aug 2013 05:43 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by _cynic_"
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You can stop being so disingenuous about the numbers about a product that by all measures is a complete and total failure that single handedly took one of the best and largest market share phone companies and nearly forced them out of the market.

Complete and total failure with double digit volume growth quarter over quarter and year over year, you have a peculiar definition of failure.

However, in the interest of not rehashing arguments I've brought up in literally every Nokia thread (which is ignored and often lost on the delusional) I'll leave you to believe what you wish and we'll revisit the topic when their quarterly results show another volume increase and further stabilization of financials.

Nelson, I have not read almost all your posts. But let us take this simply with a question:

Do you consider Windows RT Tablet(Yes, tablet only) a success in the past up to the present? Please explain if your answer is yes.

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RE[7]: Comment by _cynic_
by Nelson on Tue 27th Aug 2013 11:37 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by _cynic_"
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I consider Windows RT to have had a mixed reaction. Microsoft did move a deal of Surfaces at very high margins, but they shouldn't have. If they were going to write down a billion dollars, one would argue they should've subsidized the devices on that cost and gone for a volume play to build out the Windows 8 ecosystem.

There were some missteps along the way. Messaging got royally fucked up and Microsoft being Microsoft didn't do much about it. They let the story get away from them. There's also lukewarm OEM reactions because they're all approximately useless, but it also was because of performance problems with some of the chips inside the tablets.

There's no excuse for some of their mistakes I think, but I similarly think that the reception to them was lukewarm at worst. They didn't completely flop in the market (Surface sold through decent, they wrote down future expectations and unsold inventory, which isn't mutually exclusive with selling a decent amount).

I think its in the same situation Windows Phone was in 2011. Promising, written off, and at the same time misunderstood. If Nokia can do for RT what they did for Windows Phone they can kick this thing into gear.

First a few things need to happen:
- Microsoft needs to unify WP8 and WinRT. Two strategies, two ecosystems, and two platforms (however close they are) doesn't make sense. It just doesn't. That needs to change.
- Microsoft needs to become more platform agnostic, which will help Windows Phone. Stop thinking in terms of vendor lock in and start thinking in terms of service lock in. Hook someone on Office on an iPad, then show them how great it is on a Surface. Get someone using Outlook on Android so that when they do try a Lumia it's not a jarring transition.

Those are just my own personal opinions, a little rambly, but take it as you wish.

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RE[8]: Comment by _cynic_
by Kivada on Tue 27th Aug 2013 17:47 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by _cynic_"
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You know, it's funny, how overnight you are now at +3 om pretty much all of your posts when most of them where only at 1 yesterday and most that disagree with you are now down a point or 2. Historically your ranting usually has you at 1 or lower.

Which doesn't make any sense since you are the only one that ever tries to defend RT, so the odd of this happening naturally are pretty low...

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