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Victoria Espinel, who until recently served as the White House's first intellectual property enforcement coordinator, will now head one of the most powerful trade groups in the tech industry. She's been tapped to become the new president and CEO of The Software Alliance (or BSA) starting September 3rd. In her new role, she'll be tasked with pushing the anti-piracy interests of major players like Microsoft, Dell, Apple, Oracle, and Intel. And while the BSA spends a large part of its time lobbying Congress and other governments to push that agenda, Espinel will be barred from engaging in such practices herself - at least initially. According to Politico, an ethics pledge Espinel took to secure her "copyright czar" position under President Obama prevents her from lobbying for at least two years.

No corruption here. Nothing to see. Move along.

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RE[8]: Wikipedia
by Alfman on Sun 1st Sep 2013 05:35 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Wikipedia"
Alfman
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2011-01-28

kwan_e,

"The future of space is being privatized, but they are hardly breaking any new frontiers. Private companies are doing what we already know how to do, so they can improve upon it. That's harder frontier work."


Even the government is having trouble repeating "what we already know how to do", considering Bushes original plans to return to the moon by 2020 have been nixed.
http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/home/lunar_architecture.html


Now Obama plans for a Mars mission in 2035 as the next frontier. However NASA's budget didn't pass, and event got reduced, so those plans are up in the air (pun). I feel some pride in NASA's accomplishments even though I wasn't even alive when they were breaking new space frontiers, so I really want to see them succeed.

However non-governmental organizations are eying Mars too and we cannot rule them out, they might be leading the missions to the next frontier.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/how-millionaire-spaceflier-intends-s...

http://thespacereporter.com/2013/02/millionaire-space-tourist-plann...

This group was accepting applications for the Mars One missions through yesterday.
http://www.mars-one.com/en/

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RE[9]: Wikipedia
by kwan_e on Sun 1st Sep 2013 10:55 in reply to "RE[8]: Wikipedia"
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2007-02-18

Even the government is having trouble repeating "what we already know how to do", considering Bushes original plans to return to the moon by 2020 have been nixed.
http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/home/lunar_architecture.html


The factors being purely economic, not a technical one. So the moon is still no longer a frontier.

Now Obama plans for a Mars mission in 2035 as the next frontier. However NASA's budget didn't pass, and event got reduced, so those plans are up in the air (pun). I feel some pride in NASA's accomplishments even though I wasn't even alive when they were breaking new space frontiers, so I really want to see them succeed.

However non-governmental organizations are eying Mars too and we cannot rule them out, they might be leading the missions to the next frontier.


How long have non-governmental organizations been saying they will be the ones to take us into space and then the moon before NASA was created and finally got us there? There aren't even private lunar landers or Mars rovers.

Non-governmental organizations simply can't take the kind of risks, and failures*, that NASA can and that must be taken in order to find that unlikely solution.

* Which is a necessary step in most untested explorations.

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RE[10]: Wikipedia
by Alfman on Mon 2nd Sep 2013 13:02 in reply to "RE[9]: Wikipedia"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

kwan_e,

"The factors being purely economic, not a technical one. So the moon is still no longer a frontier."

Yes, of course it is. The same applies to private entrepreneurs as well.

"How long have non-governmental organizations been saying they will be the ones to take us into space and then the moon before NASA was created and finally got us there?"

I wasn't around and don't know, were there any actively perusing it like there are today?


The *entirety* of the missions leading up to and including apollo was around $150B in today's inflation adjusted dollars.

http://www.asi.org/adb/m/02/07/apollo-cost.html


This included all the flights/probes/ground operations/etc. We can see that the individual apollo missions themselves could definitely be bankrolled by private *individuals* (to say nothing of pooling together) IF they were so motivated. So the question isn't whether they could afford it, they can even at government levels of inefficiency (a private "space cowboy" operation probably wouldn't require such grandiose facilities). The question is whether anyone of means would actually commit to it. Can we agree on this?

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