Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Sep 2013 21:22 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
X11, Window Managers Intel on Ubuntu's XMir:

We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen, and will not carry XMir patches upstream.

Ubuntu has to do virtually all its work on Xmir drivers by itself. No one else supports it.

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RE[2]: Comment by aaronb
by Hiev on Mon 9th Sep 2013 22:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by aaronb"
Hiev
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2005-09-27

We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen

That is to vague, what are they *exactly* not condoning?

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RE[3]: Comment by aaronb
by shmerl on Mon 9th Sep 2013 22:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by aaronb"
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2010-06-08

Using Mir while there is Wayland which all distros except Unbuntu want to build upon. Intel sees no point in Canonical making a diversion.

Edited 2013-09-09 22:37 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by aaronb
by Hiev on Mon 9th Sep 2013 22:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by aaronb"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

To certain point I agree, why bloat the driver just for one distro?, maybe if Mir gets more adoption intel will reconsider.

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RE[4]: Comment by aaronb
by bassbeast on Fri 13th Sep 2013 07:20 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by aaronb"
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2007-11-11

Question: as someone who isn't a Linux guy can you or anybody else tell me what is so bad about Mir? Reading the Wiki it seems to take good parts from Wayland and some of the good parts of Android...what EXACTLY is so bad about that?

And isn't competition good? Even Thom has written about how X-Server just isn't built for desktops ( there really isn't a point in using a client/server model when both are on the same box) so you now have two different choices, Mir and Wayland, and this is bad...why exactly?

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like having two new replacements for X-Server that can compete and motivate each other which sounds like a great idea to me.

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RE[3]: Comment by aaronb
by Auzy on Mon 9th Sep 2013 23:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by aaronb"
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2008-01-20

If I had to fathom a guess, I'd be guessing its because everyone else is backing Wayland at the moment, and, Mir is simply going to fragment the community.

Also, I believe that Ubuntu originally backed Wayland, but changed their mind.

This is actually a VERY good move long term for Linux. Yes it will make things bad for Ubuntu. However, as both Mir and Wayland uses different code, supporting both would lead to a significant amount of development hours wasted globally (which could be spent on making Linux more competitive, and bringing wayland up to parity with Xorg).

I also believe that Wayland was announced ages before Mir. If this is true, it is irresponsible for Canonical to steam ahead with their own solution.

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RE[4]: Comment by aaronb
by Delgarde on Tue 10th Sep 2013 01:16 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by aaronb"
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2008-08-19

Also, I believe that Ubuntu originally backed Wayland, but changed their mind.


Oh yes, they were the most enthusiastic of supporters of Wayland a while back... Shuttleworth declaring that Ubuntu would be running natively on it a couple of releases ago.

Then nothing much happened to deliver on that boast, and eventually it was revealed that they'd started their own competing project that they'd been working on in secret for the past year... supposedly because Wayland had a bunch of imaginary defects that made it unacceptable for them (similar defects, oddly enough, to the ones that Mir got caught with in one of the earlier previews).

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RE[4]: Comment by aaronb
by Sauron on Tue 10th Sep 2013 05:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by aaronb"
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2005-08-02

If I had to fathom a guess, I'd be guessing its because everyone else is backing Wayland at the moment,


Who is everyone else?
Apparently AMD have stated they won't be supporting Wayland. This leaves Intel who is, and Nvidia who haven't said yet. If Nvidia do support Wayland I guess their sales will go up while AMD's fall, but only in small amounts which don't matter to them I suppose.

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RE[4]: Comment by aaronb
by andydread on Tue 10th Sep 2013 10:41 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by aaronb"
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2009-02-02

If I had to fathom a guess, I'd be guessing its because everyone else is backing Wayland at the moment, and, Mir is simply going to fragment the community.

Also, I believe that Ubuntu originally backed Wayland, but changed their mind.

This is actually a VERY good move long term for Linux. Yes it will make things bad for Ubuntu. However, as both Mir and Wayland uses different code, supporting both would lead to a significant amount of development hours wasted globally (which could be spent on making Linux more competitive, and bringing wayland up to parity with Xorg).

I also believe that Wayland was announced ages before Mir. If this is true, it is irresponsible for Canonical to steam ahead with their own solution.



So let me get this strait. If submit patches to your project and you refuse the patches and tell me to go pound sand. So i sit down at my desk and write my own code. Now its irresponsible that I didn't use your code? Who the hell are you to dictate to anyone what code they should or shouldn't write?

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RE[3]: Comment by aaronb
by l3v1 on Tue 10th Sep 2013 07:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by aaronb"
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2005-07-06

That is to vague, what are they *exactly* not condoning?


Well, my guess would be that if it'd be too much work to support just one 'fork' over the other dozens on the wayland path, then it's not worth the effort. If, given some miracle, mir would take off and become popular, then they just might reconsider later.

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RE[3]: Comment by aaronb
by fewt on Tue 10th Sep 2013 12:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by aaronb"
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2010-06-09

We've traditionally had one display server.

First we had XFree86, but that was forked to become Xorg. Later the Xorg developers decided to write a new display server to replace Xorg since some of the code was so poor that they couldn't even understand how it worked. They went on to create Wayland.

Canonical initially announced support and that they would immediately begin work towards Unity on Wayland. Later, after a year of secret development they announced Mir along with an article full of lies to sell Mir to the public.

Intel is most likely not condoning Canonical's attempt to fragment the display server, and also their deceitful marketing practices..

Mir is not being developed in the interests of the community, and lives in a bubble where any contributions only really benefit Canonical. Intel and many other companies and people work to develop and support Wayland in the spirit of the community so it is not surprising at all that Intel would push this code back down to Ubuntu where it belongs.

Mir is a single distribution solution so xMir code doesn't belong upstream.

I would have done the same thing.

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