Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Sep 2013 21:22 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
X11, Window Managers Intel on Ubuntu's XMir:

We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen, and will not carry XMir patches upstream.

Ubuntu has to do virtually all its work on Xmir drivers by itself. No one else supports it.

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RE: Ubuntu had good reason
by Finalzone on Tue 10th Sep 2013 04:24 UTC in reply to "Ubuntu had good reason"
Finalzone
Member since:
2005-07-06

[...] Remember that GNOME fought tooth and nail against letting the common user know how to shut down a PC...even when sleep or hibernation would crash the majority of PCs running Linux. Ubuntu at least fought this absolute idiocy.

Please, Red Hat has nothing to do with Gnome decision despite their influence. Replace Gnome 3.0 by Unity, you have the same experience until it was fixed. Show how easily to install Unity on other distributions. Gnome Shell fully supports suspend and hibernation without crashing unless you use an obscure driver. Common users as you call have no problem using Gnome Shell. Shutdown feature was always available by pressing Alt to replace "Switch" prior to 3.6. That behaviour can be changed by either dconf or Tweak tools (now part of Gnome 3.10 by default)

Remember that Wayland has been around for FIVE YEARS with trivial progress before Mir was announced, and wasn't inclined to accept Ubuntu's patches. Given that, I don't fault Ubuntu, and Intel's action is understandable given their developer association with Red Hat.

Display server is argually the most complicated software to work on meaning the process are non-trivial considering the complexity of the nearly 30 years old X server. Without these five years done on Wayland, Mir would not exist, period. Many Canonical patches were either distro specific, hacks or bad hence reject. Wayland is distribution agnostic backed by several organisations, one of them is Intel hence this topic.

I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy, as my time is 60/20/20 for Windows/Ubuntu/Sabayon. In the end, IMHO, Red Hat is jealous of Ubuntu's fame with annoyance at Ubuntu's trivial support for core elements such as the Linux kernel. However, IMO, such support should be fairly supported in proportion to profits, not fame.


To quote a French expression: "qui s'excuse s'accuse". How Red Hat be jealous considering its biggest contributions in the Linux ecosystem especially the kernel Canonical heavily depends on?

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RE[2]: Ubuntu had good reason
by Soulbender on Tue 10th Sep 2013 08:19 in reply to "RE: Ubuntu had good reason"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

How Red Hat be jealous considering its biggest contributions in the Linux ecosystem especially the kernel Canonical heavily depends on?


Because Ubuntu has made inroads in the sector where RH failed spectacularly and never made a dent, namely desktop? (No Fedora doesn’t count and it's pretty much also a failure in this sector)

Edited 2013-09-10 08:20 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

How But Redhat gave up on a providing an desktop years ago (before Ubuntu even came out). I know RHEL has a desktop configuration but it isn't where they make their money.

Edited 2013-09-10 08:24 UTC

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RE[3]: Ubuntu had good reason
by SeeM on Tue 10th Sep 2013 08:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Ubuntu had good reason"
SeeM Member since:
2011-09-10

(No Fedora doesn’t count and it's pretty much also a failure in this sector)


Fedora succeed enough on my disk sectors. ;) I like Linux distros that are simply Linux distros. Ubuntu is slowly departing from that ecosystem.

RH charge for their Dekstop, while Ubuntu is free with paid extras. I think this is the cause of popularity.

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

"How Red Hat be jealous considering its biggest contributions in the Linux ecosystem especially the kernel Canonical heavily depends on?


Because Ubuntu has made inroads in the sector where RH failed spectacularly and never made a dent, namely desktop? (No Fedora doesn’t count and it's pretty much also a failure in this sector)
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To be fair with Fedora, that is the first distro I used as a mail server. And it has many unique technologies. The only problem is that it becomes obsolete after 18 months of usage. So I default my desktop to Ubuntu L.T.S. for practical reasons. Ubuntu having MIR is not a problem for users, its a problem for other distributions, since we still be using Ubuntu on business desktops. I will be watching Fedora from time to time.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/FeatureList

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