Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Sep 2013 21:22 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
X11, Window Managers Intel on Ubuntu's XMir:

We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen, and will not carry XMir patches upstream.

Ubuntu has to do virtually all its work on Xmir drivers by itself. No one else supports it.

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RE[3]: Ubuntu had good reason
by SeeM on Tue 10th Sep 2013 08:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ubuntu had good reason"
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(No Fedora doesn’t count and it's pretty much also a failure in this sector)

Fedora succeed enough on my disk sectors. ;) I like Linux distros that are simply Linux distros. Ubuntu is slowly departing from that ecosystem.

RH charge for their Dekstop, while Ubuntu is free with paid extras. I think this is the cause of popularity.

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I think this is the cause of popularity.

No, not really. RH desktop is too much focused on enterprise stability (read: hopelessly outdated) to be of interest to consumers.
RH already gave up on the consumer desktop because they couldn't make a dent.

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RE[5]: Ubuntu had good reason
by fewt on Tue 10th Sep 2013 12:17 in reply to "RE[4]: Ubuntu had good reason"
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No, they never tried to enter the consumer market because they didn't believe it was profitable. Don't try to rewrite history with your ignorance.

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RE[5]: Ubuntu had good reason
by tonny on Tue 10th Sep 2013 16:14 in reply to "RE[4]: Ubuntu had good reason"
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Ever tried redhat linux 8.0? That's about 12 years ago. It's, AFAIK, one of the best linux desktop. Quite easy installation, quite beautiful, and quite useful, for early linux desktop. Its free.

And then, they abandon that ship to focus on RHEL. Redhat linux then succeeded by Fedora, but fedora quality worse than their predecessor.

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RE[5]: Ubuntu had good reason
by Teknoenie on Wed 11th Sep 2013 03:53 in reply to "RE[4]: Ubuntu had good reason"
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I'm sorry to say, but Ubuntu has done nearly NOTHING to advance GNU/Linux on the desktop. GNU/Linux still represents less than 2% of the desktop market (consumer or enterprise). That's absolutely laughable!

To add insult to injury I'm a person who strongly advocates for open source, so to say that GNU/Linux has made in-roads into the common desktop marketplace is just wishful thinking. Has it gotten better, sure, is it worth being out chest over, no. Your average user still can't install software without jumping through various hoops to get what they want.

With regards to enterprise stability, would you care to tell me how many enterprise desktops that you support? I support about 2500 machines running various GNU/Linux distributions including CentOS, RHEL, Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu and while CentOS, RHEL and Suse could be considered "hopelessly outdated" they're rock solid and just work. They have features that people who run in a real enterprise environment *NEED* to manage them. They don't change much in between releases and are easy targets to test.

Fedora and Ubuntu are not enterprise desktops at all. They're all the latest and greatest bits thrown together and they break *often*. This is expected in a home user desktop or a development environment where you want to test what will become the next enterprise desktop. I look forward to hearing you complain about how Canonical's "Enterprise Desktop" is hopelessly outdated in 3-5 years as that seems to be what people are complaining about WRT CentOS/RHEL/Suse enterprise desktop offerings that are now already 3-5 years old.

Guess what! People actually want stability. It's why Canonical now has a LTS release in the first place. Your average enterprise doesn't give a flying fig newton about the latest and greatest! They care about stability, manageability and maintainability! It's an enterprise desktop not a freaking home PC that nobody gives a shit about!

Red Hat decided that the HOME DESKTOP environment was dead. There was NOTHING there and there still isn't. A GNU/Linux home desktop doesn't matter! There's no money there and there won't be for quite some time. Ask Canonical how many home users that they have with Canonical support contracts. I would hazard to guess not many. ;)

Oh, and I should mention that many of my enterprise desktops have a full suite of development tools available to them including the latest compilers, toolkits, libraries and the like. All with this "hopelessly outdated" enterprise environment.

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