Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 10th Sep 2013 18:25 UTC
Apple Apple's event is going on right now - and most of the new stuff already leaked weeks and months ahead of time. So, we're getting an iPhone 5S, an iPhone 5C, and iOS7 will be available later this month. I like the design of the 5C more than of the 5S; it's more playful, colourful - harking back to the coloured iMacs and PowerMac G3s. Too bad it doesn't come in red.

The fingerprint sensor in the 5S is interesting, but I wonder how accurate it will be in the real world; on top of that, with all the NSA news, I'm not particularly keen on Apple reading my fingerprint all the time. Supposedly, applications don't have access to it and it's not stored in the cloud, but I have little to no trust for companies.

The biggest news for me is the fact that the iPhone 5S has a new chip - the A7 - which has the honour of being the first 64bit chip inside a smartphone. iOS7 and first party Apple applications are all 64bit, and Xcode obviously supports it. While this obviously future-proofs the platform for more RAM, I wonder what other motives are involved here. ARM desktops and laptops, perhaps?

I doubt 64bit will provide much benefit today, but you have to hand it to Apple: at least they're done with the transition before it's even needed.

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Comment by Radio
by Radio on Tue 10th Sep 2013 18:52 UTC
Radio
Member since:
2009-06-20

Biometric login is convenient (...when it works...) but has a fatal flaw: contrary to passwords, you can't change it once it's compromised.

The 5S will have a lot of success at the next Defcon conference. The Chaos Computer Club has already been able to copy and replicate the German minister of defense's fingerprints; this new gadget will just feed the hackers' and crackers'interest in biometry.

Edited 2013-09-10 18:56 UTC

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RE: Comment by Radio
by evilbastard on Wed 11th Sep 2013 00:54 in reply to "Comment by Radio"
evilbastard Member since:
2006-03-22

Hard reset on the device wipes out the biometrics.The sensor on the Atrix was pretty reliable.

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RE[2]: Comment by Radio
by Neolander on Wed 11th Sep 2013 04:33 in reply to "RE: Comment by Radio"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Hard reset on the device wipes out the biometrics.The sensor on the Atrix was pretty reliable.

I think his point was that there seems to be little security in something that we can't change without relatively painful surgery and tend to leave on everything we touch... including a fingerprint-secured phone's touchscreen.

Fingerprint readers sound like a really bad case of security by obscurity : there is really no secret data securing it, so the only thing preventing it from being widely broken at this point is that tools capable of fooling fingerprint readers are not available to the general public... yet.

EDIT : And looking at that Mythbusters video that lelutin linked, I'm not even sure about this last point anymore.

Edited 2013-09-11 04:45 UTC

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RE: Comment by Radio
by lelutin on Wed 11th Sep 2013 03:24 in reply to "Comment by Radio"
lelutin Member since:
2008-07-17

Biometric passwords are bad. They give people a false sense of security.

Fingerprint passwords were broken not to long after they started appearing in production uses.

If you're curious, search for "mythbusters fingerprints busted" on youtube and you'll see that anyone that's inventive enough can make the sensors give you access with a finger print that you replicate from an object.

apple really is just trying to spin the current discussion of broken democracy into a sales pitch.

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RE[2]: Comment by Radio
by someone on Wed 11th Sep 2013 03:55 in reply to "RE: Comment by Radio"
someone Member since:
2006-01-12

Well, they are being marketed by Apple as a more convenient and secure replacement for 4 digit pass codes, which is quite true.

Biometric passwords are bad. They give people a false sense of security.

Fingerprint passwords were broken not to long after they started appearing in production uses.

If you're curious, search for "mythbusters fingerprints busted" on youtube and you'll see that anyone that's inventive enough can make the sensors give you access with a finger print that you replicate from an object.

apple really is just trying to spin the current discussion of broken democracy into a sales pitch.

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RE[2]: Comment by Radio
by tdemj on Sun 15th Sep 2013 10:08 in reply to "RE: Comment by Radio"
tdemj Member since:
2006-01-03

But this is a minimum security system, just to replace a 4-digit numeric PIN. It cannot be used to log in to the bank. It's just to prevent my coworkers from reading my personal emails when I leave my phone on the desk.

Even credit cards are not secure, anyone could write down the numbers and purchase something online. Just by adding fingerprint you could make them considerably more secure in the real life.

Of course no one implies that fingerprint alone is a substitute for a strong password.

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