Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Sep 2013 21:24 UTC
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Starting today, we will extend availability of our current Windows 8.1, Windows 8.1 Pro and Windows Server 2012 R2 RTM builds to the developer and IT professional communities via MSDN and TechNet subscriptions. The Windows 8.1 RTM Enterprise edition will be available through MSDN and TechNet for businesses later this month.

Developers had been asking for this.

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RE[4]: Reverse Course
by bassbeast on Wed 11th Sep 2013 19:52 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Reverse Course"
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2007-11-11

What is wrong? List them please because I have seen EVERY SINGLE THING he listed and more dealing with Win 8!

In fact to give Windows 8 a truly fair and accurate test, thinking like Vista maybe it just needed the early bugs ironed out, when dad ordered a brand new laptop with Win 8 I simply handed it over, no different than if he went himself and bought it from any shop...within an hour he wanted to throw the laptop out of the window because Win 8 was constantly fighting him and doing crap he didn't want it to do!

Why is there no steering wheel on your bicycle? Why is there no handlebars on your car? Simple, because a UI that works great in one context may be terrible in another and that IS Windows 8 in a nutshell! Ballmer saw Apple pass MSFT as the most valuable company and tried to pull a hamfisted repeat of the "IE VS Netscape" bit by sticking a tablet UI on Windows and then thinking he could FORCE the market to buy windows tablets by "getting them used to metro" by sticking it on other devices...look at the figures, WinMetro is a massive failure, users don't want it, devs don't want it, nobody wants it.

let me ask you a question Lucas...if this is such a great idea, why hasn't Apple done it? Why have they not replaced OSX with iOS? Why has Google reversed course and said that Android wouldn't be replacing ChromeOS? the answer couldn't be simpler, a UI designed around small screen touch screens simply does not work well on large vertical non touch screens, yet MSFT refuses to accept that.

Did you watch the video through to the end? How do you respond to the actual experts in UI design saying it was a bad design? I mean you have users avoiding it like STDs, you have experts saying its a bad design, and sales of X86 systems dropped like a stone when win 8 came out...what more proof do you need?

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RE[5]: Reverse Course
by lucas_maximus on Thu 12th Sep 2013 06:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Reverse Course"
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2009-08-18

There were quite a few factual things wrong with his review. I didn't watch all of it, but flicking through there were factual errors ... the rest was subjective.

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RE[6]: Reverse Course
by bassbeast on Sat 14th Sep 2013 01:08 in reply to "RE[5]: Reverse Course"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

In other words "I can't name a single thing wrong or provide any of the answers you seek so I'll just say its wrong" is that it?

Perhaps then you should watch this video of the reviewer taking a bog standard windows 8 laptop OOTB and using it for the first time. Please note how many times he says "stop" "No" and "I don't want that" because Windows 8 is fighting the user every step of the way! How do you respond to that, that users should have to take classes just to learn how to do basic tasks on the broken design that is Windows 8?

I have put 70 year old ladies on Windows 7, we are talking the first time these folks have EVER touched a PC, know how long it took them to pick up basic tasks? About 20 minutes, that is what happens when you have a product that is intuitive and discoverable. Compare that to Windows 8 when even geeks on this very site had no idea where shutdown was and were having to do everything from log off to hit the power button because even something as basic as shutdown was like playing "Where's Waldo" with the OS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLTE_bvlWUE

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