Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Sep 2013 21:22 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
X11, Window Managers Intel on Ubuntu's XMir:

We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen, and will not carry XMir patches upstream.

Ubuntu has to do virtually all its work on Xmir drivers by itself. No one else supports it.

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RE: Ubuntu had good reason
by BallmerKnowsBest on Wed 11th Sep 2013 21:05 UTC in reply to "Ubuntu had good reason"
BallmerKnowsBest
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2008-06-02

Remember that Wayland has been around for FIVE YEARS with trivial progress before Mir was announced, and wasn't inclined to accept Ubuntu's patches. Given that, I don't fault Ubuntu, and Intel's action is understandable given their developer association with Red Hat.


That's the main reason why all of the whinging over this "issue" seems so overblown. It's essentially the same as what happened with Nokia - there's the self-serving myth where Maemo/Maego/whatever was poised for imminent success, if only big mean Microsoft hadn't come along and smothered it in the crib. But reality is that Maemo didn't NEED to be smothered by Microsoft, because it was already stillborn - Nokia had the better part of a decade to build a Linux-based mobile OS, and instead they wasted the time with directionless floundering, political in-fighting, etc.

Nokia doomed their Linux OS long before Windows Phone was even a glimmer in Microsoft's eye. And what makes Nokia's missteps truly inexcusable was when Palm came along in 2009, started their own Linux-based mobile OS and basically overtook Nokia from a standing start. Palm went from conception to having a product to market... in less time than it took Nokia to decide on a UI toolkit. It's like the fable of the tortoise and the hare... except in this case the hare still won even after sleeping through most of the race. 'Course, for Palm, their "prize" was becoming part of a figurative rabbit stew, but that's besides the point.

Same thing with Wayland/Mir: the current "problem" would never have existed in the first place if Wayland's development wasn't so glacially slow. I guess Canonical was just supposed to sit around with their thumbs up their asses, while the Wayland developers spent another 5 years bike-shedding...

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RE[2]: Ubuntu had good reason
by Rahul on Thu 12th Sep 2013 04:40 in reply to "RE: Ubuntu had good reason"
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2005-07-06

"Same thing with Wayland/Mir: the current "problem" would never have existed in the first place if Wayland's development wasn't so glacially slow. I guess Canonical was just supposed to sit around with their thumbs up their asses, while the Wayland developers spent another 5 years bike-shedding.."

Nonsense. Wayland developers (who are really Xorg developers btw) wrote major portions of KMS, DRI etc that made the transition away from Xorg even possible and Mir simple wouldn't even exist without all that work done from Wayland developers and in the open source world, if you want to speed up a project even further, you submit patches rather than write a new alternative from scratch.

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RE[2]: Ubuntu had good reason
by zima on Sat 14th Sep 2013 13:09 in reply to "RE: Ubuntu had good reason"
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2005-07-06

It's essentially the same as what happened with Nokia - there's the self-serving myth where Maemo/Maego/whatever was poised for imminent success, if only big mean Microsoft hadn't come along and smothered it in the crib.

I predict this will be worse than Amiga mythos...

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