Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Sep 2013 23:56 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

A team within Nokia had Android up and running on the company's Lumia handsets well before Microsoft and Nokia began negotiating Microsoft’s $7.2 billion acquisition of Nokia's mobile phone and services business, according to two people briefed on the effort who declined to be identified because the project was confidential. Microsoft executives were aware of the existence of the project, these people said.

Another person said the idea of Nokia using Android wasn't a part of Microsoft’s discussions with the company about an acquisition, even though that was widely recognized as a possibility.

Windows Phone never fit into Nokia's DNA. It's too closed, too external, too controlled; Nokia had little influence over its own destiny with Windows Phone. It's not surprising that many of the brightest minds in the company left in the wake of the Windows Phone announcement (such as the team now at Jolla).

Nokia should have gone Android.

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RE: Comment by Nelson
by VistaUser on Sat 14th Sep 2013 00:47 UTC in reply to "Comment by Nelson"
VistaUser
Member since:
2008-03-08

You're assuming that Nokia would have still lost the marketshare it did when it went Windows Phone.

It wouldnt have:

Symbian wouldnt have been called a dying platform
The N9 would actually have been marketed.
Same with the pureview808.

and that is all without going android.

Nokia had the recognition and the branding to keep Sansung at bay if it hadnt spent a couple of years scrapping all its products and then running around looking for a product to sell.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Sat 14th Sep 2013 01:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

How quickly do you think Nokia could've had an Android phone on the market? Not soon enough to make a difference. What about marketing dollars, where's that coming from? Certainly not Google.

Nokia was in serious shit.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by dsmogor on Sat 14th Sep 2013 06:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Android is way more adaptable than WP. That a single amateur managed to provide 80% functional port of ICS on N9 in half a year without any support nor documentation tells a lot. TI chipsets have been part of signature Google designs at that time.
Thats really no rocket science.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by VistaUser on Sat 14th Sep 2013 16:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
VistaUser Member since:
2008-03-08

They wouldn't have needed to - they had a product pipeline that they didnt have to scrap.

That would have brougth them more time.

They also had halo phones which they dare not publicise in fear that it would counter the propagada pushing them towards microsoft.

A modicum of success in those products would have brought them time to either move to Android or complete their own platform, which they were developing on the N9xx range.

Nokia's marketshare was declining, but it didn't tank until after Elop declared that "all our platforms are shit and have no future. wait til next year til we move to another platform", followed a year later by "here is our new platform! but remember this also is dead end, our new new platform will be available next year!"

Edited 2013-09-14 16:48 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by jgfenix on Sat 14th Sep 2013 20:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
jgfenix Member since:
2006-05-25

Nokia had Maemo and a lot of expertise in Linux. Nokia could launch an Android phone faster than anyone else.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by glarepate on Sun 15th Sep 2013 18:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

How hard was it?

FTA:

"Getting Android to run on Nokia’s hardware was not a Herculean engineering effort, according to the people familiar with the project."

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sun 15th Sep 2013 03:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Symbian was going to die regardless of what Elop did. He did however shoot it in the head, inject it with cyanide and throw it off a bridge with concrete shoes.

I think They made a lot of managerial mistakes even before Elop came on board.

+ partnering with Intel to make Meego instead of continuing with Mameo.

+ Devoting too much resources to symbian, including the effort to buy all the control of the system and open sourcing it. All of that money, time, energy, talent, etc should have been directed towards mameo.

+ Ngage. It killed Nokia's reputation in North America. It was the worst "phone" and the worst game system ever designed. The usability was insanely bad.


I don't think its a question weather or not they could have been successful with android. Its just a question of how seriously they would have take the project, how much resources devoted to it, and when they would have made the switch.

If they had hopped on board at the same time HTC or motorola did, everyone would have thought that they were crazy but it probably would have worked.

If they had done it at the time they actually switched to Microsoft, they still could have succeeded. Everyone still would have thought they were crazy.

If they had done it last January, it would have been a desperate move, most likely too late, and elop would have probably repeated his past failed strategy of declaring all his products obsolete while failing to deliver anything to replace them for a year.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sun 15th Sep 2013 05:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Somewhat related:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwIUEnXctuA

Microsoft and Symbian react to the announcement of android. Its pretty funny retrospect.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by jgfenix on Sun 15th Sep 2013 05:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
jgfenix Member since:
2006-05-25

Meego wasn´t a bad idea. The error was to use Moblin as a starting point instead of using Maemo that had a working product that people used. Then they could replace it component by component if they wanted but no, they started a lot of parts from scratch.

I have always thought that Meego was a missed oportunity to expand Nokia into another markets. They could make multimedia/navigation systems for cars (they owned Navteq).

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by tonny on Mon 16th Sep 2013 16:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
tonny Member since:
2011-12-22

Agreed. But for Ngage (the QD), I disagree. Ngage QD is quite good for me ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by modmans2ndcoming on Tue 17th Sep 2013 00:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

Sorry... Symbian was made to compete with Windows Mobile and Blackberry....it was dying.

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