Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Sep 2013 23:56 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

A team within Nokia had Android up and running on the company's Lumia handsets well before Microsoft and Nokia began negotiating Microsoft’s $7.2 billion acquisition of Nokia's mobile phone and services business, according to two people briefed on the effort who declined to be identified because the project was confidential. Microsoft executives were aware of the existence of the project, these people said.

Another person said the idea of Nokia using Android wasn't a part of Microsoft’s discussions with the company about an acquisition, even though that was widely recognized as a possibility.

Windows Phone never fit into Nokia's DNA. It's too closed, too external, too controlled; Nokia had little influence over its own destiny with Windows Phone. It's not surprising that many of the brightest minds in the company left in the wake of the Windows Phone announcement (such as the team now at Jolla).

Nokia should have gone Android.

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RE: Android is NOT magic!
by _cynic_ on Sat 14th Sep 2013 13:26 UTC in reply to "Android is NOT magic!"
_cynic_
Member since:
2012-04-18

Nokia has one of the lowest ASP(average sales price) for smartphones, WAY bellow market average, WAY below Android. Why? Unsold Lumias and the 520.
And in reality it's even worse than it appears, due to MS quarterly gifts

http://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuittinen/2013/08/20/windows-smartp...

Stop spreading lies. Lumias are one of the cheapest unsold smartphones on the market.

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RE[2]: Android is NOT magic!
by _cynic_ on Sat 14th Sep 2013 13:31 in reply to "RE: Android is NOT magic!"
_cynic_ Member since:
2012-04-18

WP and Android are not magic. They compete in the same market for the same customers.

People talk about WP as if it was a market apart.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yes, that's what Apple bloggers do with iOS too; they segment the market arbitrarily to make it look better. E.g., Apple bloggers will often only focus on the US, ignoring the fact that iOS isn't doing well anywhere else. WP advocates tend to do the same thing.

If you need to arbitrarily exclude important markets to look good, you're not doing good.

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RE[2]: Android is NOT magic!
by bassbeast on Sun 15th Sep 2013 08:29 in reply to "RE: Android is NOT magic!"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

And compare that to Android where even the prepaid phone companies are giving away Android phones and how is Nokia supposed to compete with that?

In my area the Straighttalk prepaid is becoming crazy popular and You can have a Galaxy Precedent or a Huawei Ascend Y for...drumroll...$0. That's right, nothing, just buy a phone card and they'll hand you an Android phone. The best price I've seen for the Lumia? $99 and that was for a 2 year contract, my friend's wife looked at them and went for a Motorola Droid, why? $0.99 with 2 year contract. again how is Nokia supposed to compete with that? And let me just leave this here, the #2 OEM is reporting yet another quarter of losses, if they couldn't compete with Samsung, what chance had Nokia?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/30/htc-q3-2013-forecast/

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RE[3]: Android is NOT magic!
by Jbso on Sun 15th Sep 2013 15:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Android is NOT magic!"
Jbso Member since:
2013-01-05

HTC be second in the US and get a lot of attention in the US, but it is not #2 globally. LG is listed as number 2 for Android here: http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2573415

Possibly other sources have slightly different estimates, but I'm fairly certain no one thinks HTC is number 2 worldwide. Also, I think Motorola is #3 Android vendor in the US, so that should tell you how relevant US-only numbers are.

LG is reporting a profit on their mobile business: http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/24/lg-q2-earnings-record-smartphone...

Sony does too: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_turns_small_profit_in_q1_with_thanks_t...

I know a lot people think if a company doesn't make as much money as Samsung, they should shut down their mobile business, but that is the wrong perspective. Making billions in profit per quarter is quite rare and an unrealistic goal for most companies. If

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