Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Sep 2013 23:56 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

A team within Nokia had Android up and running on the company's Lumia handsets well before Microsoft and Nokia began negotiating Microsoft’s $7.2 billion acquisition of Nokia's mobile phone and services business, according to two people briefed on the effort who declined to be identified because the project was confidential. Microsoft executives were aware of the existence of the project, these people said.

Another person said the idea of Nokia using Android wasn't a part of Microsoft’s discussions with the company about an acquisition, even though that was widely recognized as a possibility.

Windows Phone never fit into Nokia's DNA. It's too closed, too external, too controlled; Nokia had little influence over its own destiny with Windows Phone. It's not surprising that many of the brightest minds in the company left in the wake of the Windows Phone announcement (such as the team now at Jolla).

Nokia should have gone Android.

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RE[2]: Comment by joekiser
by glarepate on Sat 14th Sep 2013 21:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by joekiser"
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Only for some definition of "growing strongly" that doesn't include very much market share. Or profits.

Percentage-wise, it looked impressive. But not in absolute numbers. That is part of the "next quarter" fallacy that has haunted them since the Lumia line was introduced. The volume was never there and may not be even now that the 52x series is selling "strongly".

They needed to hit about 10 million units per quarter to actually make a profit. That was before the 52x series which killed their ASP but didn't improve volumes enough to make up for the reduced margins.

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RE[3]: Comment by joekiser
by jgfenix on Sun 15th Sep 2013 05:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by joekiser"
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2006-05-25

What are you talking about? At that time Android´s growth was exponential. It was a lot in both relative and absolute numbers.

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RE[4]: Comment by joekiser
by glarepate on Sun 15th Sep 2013 19:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by joekiser"
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2006-01-04

What are you talking about? At that time Android´s growth was exponential. It was a lot in both relative and absolute numbers.


Yes, Android sales have been much better than Lumia sales ever since Lumias were launched. Why are you comparing the 15 or so Lumia models from Nokia to all models from all manufacturers running Android? What does that comparison show that makes Lumia percentages and volumes look good?

Is that the time period are you referring to? Over the 8 quarters from Q3 '11 to Q2 '13 Lumia volumes went from zero to 7.4 million units per quarter.

Percentage increases were very good during some, but not all, of those quarterly intervals. It is still not enough in absolute numbers to make a profit.

In relative numbers it is about 3.3% market share in smartphones after 2 years. Not horrible, but how is that "a lot"?

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