Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Sep 2013 15:11 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems

With Intel's new Haswell chip, manufacturers can choose to either build slimmer notebooks or try to optimize battery life as much as possible. Dell has clearly shown its dedication to the latter with the new Inspiron 11 3000 series. Budget notebooks don't always have big batteries, but Dell claims the $379 Haswell version of the Inspiron 11 lasts up to eight hours and 20 minutes on a single charge.

Something I've been pondering for a while: if we can have high-quality tablets and smartphones at low prices, why can't we have high-quality laptops at said prices too? Cheap laptops are almost always crap, but this Inspiron 11 actually looks like it could reverse the trend. Since I don't really need an expensive laptop anymore, a cheap but still relatively high quality 11" laptop is right up my alley. Is anyone aware of any alternatives?

Also, when did Dell find the design stick?

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RE[11]: Is it OSsified?
by woegjiub on Thu 19th Sep 2013 12:02 UTC in reply to "RE[10]: Is it OSsified?"
woegjiub
Member since:
2008-11-25

Trust me, i havent.

Then change the default from the metro app to a non-metro app?
You would have had to do the same thing for images.

I call bs. It's not ready because people dont' want to mess around with a shitty touch interface on a none touchscreen.

I fail to see how it's a purely touchscreen interface.
It works perfectly well with a keyboard and mouse.
It just reduces visual clutter, in order to improve appearance and aid focus.
It's the direction *all* modern design is headed, as you would have seen on most prominent websites.

I have yet to find anything i find usefull in metro, modern ui or what ever it's called today.

It's a tiling interface, making it vastly superior to stacking interfaces.
I was talking about the desktop, though. They've definitely improved explorer and admin functionality quite a lot.

Sadly i do have to interact with it. The os boots into it. As i am testing an app in diffent versions atm i have to reinstall the app quite often so i cant just add a shortcut to the desktop.

Which improvents is it you have found on the desktop?
More powerfull..?

I do not care much for Microsoft either but thats not relevant. They relased a pile of crap and thats what i have a problem with, as long as they still force it down the neck on most people via oem deals...

8.1 has boot to desktop, the upgrade is coming soon.
Inevitably, Visual Studio and MS Office will be moved there, though.
The operating system itself uses less resources, more efficiently.
The main improvements on the desktop are the added functionality in explorer and the improved dual monitor handling, as well as the deliciously flat theme.
It's a pile of crap *in your opinion*.
The OS itself is leaner and meaner, with less visual clutter and more functionality.

Sure, the new environment needs to mature, gain some more applications.
However, you've not actually pointed out anything objectively bad about it.
You've simply stated that you hate it, and that "it's crap".
Give some reasons for the hatred of metro apart from the youth of the platform.
Once the apps are there, it'll be more productive than the desktop due to tiling and modern design choices reducing visual noise.

Edited 2013-09-19 12:04 UTC

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RE[12]: Is it OSsified?
by hamster on Thu 19th Sep 2013 13:51 in reply to "RE[11]: Is it OSsified?"
hamster Member since:
2006-10-06


Then change the default from the metro app to a non-metro app?
You would have had to do the same thing for images.


When using win7 my browser opens pdf files just fine. Why cant win8 just do the same..?


I fail to see how it's a purely touchscreen interface.
It works perfectly well with a keyboard and mouse.
It just reduces visual clutter, in order to improve appearance and aid focus.
It's the direction *all* modern design is headed, as you would have seen on most prominent websites.


Aid focus? If one needs to focus on a start menu i'd say the creator made a bubu


It's a tiling interface, making it vastly superior to stacking interfaces.
I was talking about the desktop, though. They've definitely improved explorer and admin functionality quite a lot.


As i nolonger have to play sysadm on windows systems i do not know much about the administration. But as a user i have found nothing has improved.


8.1 has boot to desktop, the upgrade is coming soon.
Inevitably, Visual Studio and MS Office will be moved there, though.
The operating system itself uses less resources, more efficiently.
The main improvements on the desktop are the added functionality in explorer and the improved dual monitor handling, as well as the deliciously flat theme.
It's a pile of crap *in your opinion*.
The OS itself is leaner and meaner, with less visual clutter and more functionality.


Ofcause it's my oponion. I do not get paided to talk up some crazy shit as we could suspect others do.

What added functionality are we talking about here? The ability to switch to a touch start menu or something usefull? Please do tell. I aparently missed something...


Sure, the new environment needs to mature, gain some more applications.
However, you've not actually pointed out anything objectively bad about it.
You've simply stated that you hate it, and that "it's crap".
Give some reasons for the hatred of metro apart from the youth of the platform.
Once the apps are there, it'll be more productive than the desktop due to tiling and modern design choices reducing visual noise.


I do not like the fact that my start menu needs to be fullscreen. I have yet to read just one good argument as to why thats needed.

I don't care if metro is young or not. It does not help me getting my work done faster so why should i go for a change?

How can a new start menu make me more productive?

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RE[13]: Is it OSsified?
by woegjiub on Thu 19th Sep 2013 15:09 in reply to "RE[12]: Is it OSsified?"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

When using win7 my browser opens pdf files just fine. Why cant win8 just do the same..?

In win7 it opens pdfs in whichever application you chose as the default handler.
Windows 8 happens to have a metro application as the default handler, so you would need to associate the filetype with a desktop application.
Win8 will behave *exactly* like win7 if you just change the default app via "open with".

Aid focus? If one needs to focus on a start menu i'd say the creator made a bubu

When the user is looking for something, a huge cluttered list is more difficult to navigate. This method is simpler and more intuitive.
Regardless, metro is more than just the start screen. It's also about the modern application style with the tiling window manager.

As i nolonger have to play sysadm on windows systems i do not know much about the administration. But as a user i have found nothing has improved.

Surely you have noticed how much better the copy dialog is, the extra functionality available in explorer via task pinning, the ribbon interface's improved feature prominence...

Ofcause it's my oponion. I do not get paided to talk up some crazy shit as we could suspect others do.

What added functionality are we talking about here? The ability to switch to a touch start menu or something usefull? Please do tell. I aparently missed something...

You did miss something. Every desktop application has more features and uses less resources.
Also, the modern interface is far more than just the start screen. It also doesn't really have to tie with touch, it works perfectly without it.

I do not like the fact that my start menu needs to be fullscreen. I have yet to read just one good argument as to why thats needed.

I don't care if metro is young or not. It does not help me getting my work done faster so why should i go for a change?

How can a new start menu make me more productive?

Why do you have a start menu?
Trawling through a list is a waste of time, when it is far faster and easier to type 2-3 letters, hit return and have the correct application run via search.
The "all programs" listing is there for when one forgets the name of something, but apart from that, the tiles enable quick and prominent access just like pinned start menu apps used to.
Otherwise, it's <meta key><type2-3 letters><return>, and you're working.
Waving a mouse about fishing for something is very slow by comparison.
Please give a good reason for having a huge heirarchical listing when search allows one to get on with work faster.

The point of metro is to bring the dated and cluttered interface forward with modern trends.
Applications should be about *content*, not buttons and menus scattered all over the place.
We have hotkeys and gestures for that.
It's more intuitive to have functionality reveal itself when needed, and get out of the way when it's not.
Functionality should also be contextual, only being available when it's actually applicable.
These sorts of movements towards iHCI are a large part of modern UI design.

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