Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:33 UTC
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Speaking at Microsoft's financial analysts meeting today, CEO Steve Ballmer was refreshingly realistic about the company's struggles in smartphones and tablets. "Mobile devices. We have almost no share."

Right. Now that Ballmer himself admits it, can we please settle the discussion? Windows Phone has been a failure up until now.

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Doesn't matter
by No it isnt on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:37 UTC
No it isnt
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2005-11-14

I'm sure Nelson will be able to spin this as something positive.

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RE: Doesn't matter
by aligatro on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:39 in reply to "Doesn't matter"
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2010-01-28

I'm sure Nelson will be able to spin this as something positive.


"When you reach the rock bottom, the only way is up?"

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by silviucc on Sat 21st Sep 2013 00:13 in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
silviucc Member since:
2009-12-05

It depends, you can stay on the bottom for a looong time. It's not pleasant but it happens.

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RE: Doesn't matter
by Nelson on Sat 21st Sep 2013 12:26 in reply to "Doesn't matter"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Second largest smartphone OS in India 5.6% marketshare
http://m.bgr.in/manufacturers/nokia/windows-phone-claims-indias-sec...

Second largest smartphone OS in Latin America
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2013/aug13/08-21wplatampr...

8.2% market share in EU5
11.6% market share in Mexico
8.6% market share in UK
~10% market share in Germany
9.4% market share in France

http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/Global/News/Record-share-for-Window...

15% market share in New Zealand
http://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/business/technology/9169975/Hard...

Second largest smartphone OS, 11.8% market share in the Middle East
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2013/9/12/two_phones_in_five_in_the...

There are others:
Italy 9% market share
Australia ~5.8% market share
Spain ~7.8% market share
Poland 16% market share

Russia 8.2% market share
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-08/mts-bolsters-windows-sm...

FWIW, I've never claimed Windows Phone has a large market share, only that their share is growing, and that this growth is accelerating. Something obvious after reading the source links.

Also, Mr. Ballmer's purpose (if you or Thom actually watched the FAM) is to illustrate the upside potential and was spoken specifically in the context of the Nokia acquisition.

Of course this,won't change your mind, or Thom's mind, or the other acolytes on this website, but the inconvenient truth for you all is that there is a clear and established momentum.

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by andydread on Sat 21st Sep 2013 12:40 in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

Second largest smartphone OS in India 5.6% marketshare
http://m.bgr.in/manufacturers/nokia/windows-phone-claims-indias-sec...

Second largest smartphone OS in Latin America
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2013/aug13/08-21wplatampr...

8.2% market share in EU5
11.6% market share in Mexico
8.6% market share in UK
~10% market share in Germany
9.4% market share in France

http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/Global/News/Record-share-for-Window...

15% market share in New Zealand
http://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/business/technology/9169975/Hard...

Second largest smartphone OS, 11.8% market share in the Middle East
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2013/9/12/two_phones_in_five_in_the...

There are others:
Italy 9% market share
Australia ~5.8% market share
Spain ~7.8% market share
Poland 16% market share

Russia 8.2% market share
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-08/mts-bolsters-windows-sm...

FWIW, I've never claimed Windows Phone has a large market share, only that their share is growing, and that this growth is accelerating. Something obvious after reading the source links.

Also, Mr. Ballmer's purpose (if you or Thom actually watched the FAM) is to illustrate the upside potential and was spoken specifically in the context of the Nokia acquisition.

Of course this,won't change your mind, or Thom's mind, or the other acolytes on this website, but the inconvenient truth for you all is that there is a clear and established momentum.


Well wish them luck Nelson.. Wish them luck. Because the only manufacturer that is pushing Windows Phone is Nokia. And all that market share you listed there can be attributed to Nokia. No other manufacturer. So those numbers you posted are basically as far as they will go until other manufacturers get on board and they are not because MS pissed them off with their Android extortion scheme. There is no enthusiasm from the device manufacturers to push Windows phone after how MS has threatened their business.

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by Deviate_X on Sat 21st Sep 2013 13:26 in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

YES
Windows phone has almost no share in the USA BUT in europe and other bizarre countries it is far more significant.

Edited 2013-09-21 13:27 UTC

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by bassbeast on Sat 21st Sep 2013 15:15 in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Don't matter dude, WinPhone is still gonna flop like a fish on the bank and the reason why is simple, its that MSFT stopped listening to their customers and instead listens to Wall Street and that is the kiss of death.

As a retailer it baffles the hell out of me, you give folks what they want and your share grows...why is that so hard for MSFT to grasp? instead with Win 8 and WinPhone you get MSFT not listening but DICTATING and for every customer they get they completely turn off a dozen,that is NOT how you grow a market!

I have been a Windows guy since the days of Win 3.x yet when it came to a phone I chose Android, why? Because after the bad attitude coming from Redmond, the "just deal with it" comments, the screwing of the WinPhone 7.x users by refusing to port WinPhone 8, and Ballmer basically giving the bird to their desktop customers? the entire company has turned me off as a customer.

I was always on the bleeding edge when it came to their products, no more. I always had their latest OS, now I'm on Win 7. The entire culture at MSFT has become toxic and they seem to care not what the customers want or think, only Wall Street, and they only change course if the backlash to their flipping the customer the bird becomes so great they can no longer ignore it, see the Xbox N and refusing to play used games without whipping out a CC.

So I'm sorry but MSFT could have the best thing since sliced bread and it will still end up a failure, not because the product is bad, but because the company has become toxic. I personally hate fricking Linux but if SteamOS comes out and supports most of my games? I'll end up switching simply because I feel I won't have a choice,MSFT trying to tie everything into a walled garden, forcing me to use their services to log into my own PC, and other consumer unfriendly behavior has made their products a total turn off. this is what is plaguing WinPhone, not the OS, its the culture.

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by nikcomp on Sat 21st Sep 2013 16:59 in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
nikcomp Member since:
2011-12-28

These countries are buying the Nokia 520 off contact phone. These are not the 920 series phone. These buyers buy nothing from the store. A 99 dollar phone will not get Microsoft in the game unless the only game they want is the lowest end.

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by TBPrince on Sat 21st Sep 2013 22:35 in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
TBPrince Member since:
2005-07-06

Definitely agreed.

I think the view about Nokia and Windows Phone in general is clearly influenced by superficial comments and remarks which usually come from mindsets focused on old OS wars or glamourous/gossip-style behaviour.

In my opinion, even Nokia-Microsoft deal is grossly mis-interpreted and underestimated. As you reported, a more careful analysis would be needed.

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by protomank on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 12:09 in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
protomank Member since:
2006-08-03

Speaking about latin america, specific Brazil case, let me tell you I never, ever saw a person with a WP device, and on stores, Android tottally rules here.
I see often iPhone on the hand of layers and physicians, as they bought those as symbol of status - most of them don't even know how to use internet on the phones.
Kids and teenegers I see even on bus, typing as a fanatic on their Androids and a few (1 to 10 os less) iPhones.
WP? None.
All the old consumers from Nokia (that had a huge market share here, > 80%), were not sold by the new Lumias, simply put.

As Brazil is the biggest market in the whole latin america, I think this tells a lot about this report. It seems to focus on Mexico and Argentine mostly, ignoring countries where WP/Nokia is a no-go.

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RE[2]: Doesn't matter
by JAlexoid on Tue 24th Sep 2013 13:06 in reply to "RE: Doesn't matter"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Please don't mix the numbers. 8.2% in EU5(Germany, France, UK, Spain and Italy) and separate numbers for those countries do not relate well.

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