Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:33 UTC
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Speaking at Microsoft's financial analysts meeting today, CEO Steve Ballmer was refreshingly realistic about the company's struggles in smartphones and tablets. "Mobile devices. We have almost no share."

Right. Now that Ballmer himself admits it, can we please settle the discussion? Windows Phone has been a failure up until now.

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0brad0
Member since:
2007-05-05

It's pure sadness, as I´m pretty sure that this will be discouraging for other entrepreneurs like Jolla.


IMO it is not discouraging. But they need to release an OS that is good.

WP8 is awful.

RIM/Blackerry dragged their feet for too long. They knew they had to come out with a new OS for a long long time and it took way way too long. On top of it the phones they released were always so far behind specs wise and just not very good.

Nokia had an OS they could have used and had full control over but abandoned it for an OS they had no control over and were burned as was completely expected. Then they complained about having no control over the OS. Idiots.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Good is not enough.

It has to make developers want to spend resources targeting them, while allowing them to be paid for the said investment.

Otherwise you won't get any apps, besides Android ports.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

IMO it is not discouraging. But they need to release an OS that is good.

And they need to make it easy for both developers and users to get into the ecosystem. The os is the lesser half of the picture, the apps are what will make or break a new platform.

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Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

"IMO it is not discouraging. But they need to release an OS that is good.

And they need to make it easy for both developers and users to get into the ecosystem. The os is the lesser half of the picture, the apps are what will make or break a new platform.
"

...and WP8 is the easiest mobile platform to develop for with the highest quality Dev tools, Visual Studio.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

You might want to read up on the behind the scenes at MeeGo, it wasn't the rosy picture that FOSS lovers paint it, in fact they were being sabotaged on not one but TWO front as they had the Symbian team backstabbing and headhunting their best talent for fear they would steal their thunder and Intel stabbing them in the back for fear that the ARM version would steal the spotlight away from X86. For your education...

http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/the-story-of-nokia-meego

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0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

You might want to read up on the behind the scenes at MeeGo, it wasn't the rosy picture that FOSS lovers paint it, in fact they were being sabotaged on not one but TWO front as they had the Symbian team backstabbing and headhunting their best talent for fear they would steal their thunder and Intel stabbing them in the back for fear that the ARM version would steal the spotlight away from X86. For your education...

http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/the-story-of-nokia-meego


I already know what was going on with Maemo and MeeGo. No one claimed it was a perfect situation but they had the ability to control what was going on as opposed to working with a vendor they had no control over. Symbian should have been taken out back and shot so to speak a long time ago. It doesn't matter how you look at it WP was the wrong way to go and now Nokia is dead. But IMO they deserved it with such a poorly managed company.

Edited 2013-09-22 04:25 UTC

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Dano Member since:
2006-01-22



WP8 is awful.



What makes it awful and have you actually used it for at least a week?

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reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

I used it for months as both user and developer.
It's not awful and the screenflow is nice, but I still find that having icons with color codes helps you navigate around a small screen much better than the live tile / monochrom system.

It also leaves a lot to be desired, and several things about it are unacceptable, such as the terrible multitasking and the fact you can't get another web browser.

As a developer, the phone is plain horrible. I'm sorry, but Android and iOS are miles ahead in both API and tools.

It's not really "awful" and it shows promise, but it's not quite there yet. The fact that Microsoft barely touched it in more than a year also makes it worse. Android did dozens of important changes and updates in the same time lapse.

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