Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:33 UTC
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Speaking at Microsoft's financial analysts meeting today, CEO Steve Ballmer was refreshingly realistic about the company's struggles in smartphones and tablets. "Mobile devices. We have almost no share."

Right. Now that Ballmer himself admits it, can we please settle the discussion? Windows Phone has been a failure up until now.

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RE[7]: Doesn't matter
by Dano on Sun 22nd Sep 2013 15:38 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Doesn't matter"
Dano
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It is an achievement anyone could accomplish, if they were willing to take a big enough loss. That is what Microsoft is doing right now. All that cash sent to Nokia, all that advertisement money for Windows Phone - that's what "achieved" this. Has anyone calculated how much that amounts to per sold Windows Phone?

I should commend them on that? Sure, I'll play along. "You've got piles of money, Microsoft. Well done!"

How's that for absurdly small of me? ;)


It takes money to make money. The only thing is that Microsoft's offering has enough merit to put the money behind it. Makes sense that they would invest and leverage in order to push adoption. In a different way Google is also doing the same thing. They are not making much at all giving away Android. The Nexus line is just there to make sure that Samsung does not make them their bitch.

Edited 2013-09-22 15:44 UTC

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RE[8]: Doesn't matter
by japh on Sun 22nd Sep 2013 17:25 in reply to "RE[7]: Doesn't matter"
japh Member since:
2005-11-11

Google is also doing the same thing. They are not making much at all giving away Android..


No, I imagine giving away something doesn't generate much direct income. But they do make a lot of money on mobile users. Android is not a loss leader.

Nelson thought I should congratulate Microsoft on being a loss... third place?

Fact is that Microsoft is pretty much fighting to stay relevant and are prepared to spend enormous amounts of money on that. And in doing so, they aren't really doing the consumers any favors. Competition works very poorly when one player doesn't need to care about a working business model.

When Microsoft can show that they're actually have a sustainable niche that didn't come from killing off competitors with long-running loss projects, then we can start talking about milestones.

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RE[9]: Doesn't matter
by Nelson on Sun 22nd Sep 2013 17:40 in reply to "RE[8]: Doesn't matter"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

No, I imagine giving away something doesn't generate much direct income. But they do make a lot of money on mobile users. Android is not a loss leader.


So giving something away isn't loss leading? Google sinks real money into the engineering of Android.

By giving it away they obviously hope to recoup the lost potential sales through ecosystem and service revenue. They take loss leading to the extreme. The fact that you can't distinguish this only serves to underscore your naiveté in such matters.


Nelson thought I should congratulate Microsoft on being a loss... third place?


You're looking at this as some static thing and completely ignoring the very real possibility that they might become #2 and eventually #1 (Already #2 in some regions as my links have shown, and you have played down).

And that just about wraps up the quasi intelligent part of your comment. The really ridiculous part is that you think Samsung doesn't spend inordinate amounts of money it derives from being a vertically integrated conglomerate on Android -- and instead focus on Microsoft sinking a few billion (out of a marketcap of 200 billion)

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