Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Sep 2013 23:33 UTC
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Speaking at Microsoft's financial analysts meeting today, CEO Steve Ballmer was refreshingly realistic about the company's struggles in smartphones and tablets. "Mobile devices. We have almost no share."

Right. Now that Ballmer himself admits it, can we please settle the discussion? Windows Phone has been a failure up until now.

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RE[3]: Doesn't matter
by double_s on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 10:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Doesn't matter"
double_s
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2011-08-11

I think the view about Nokia and Windows Phone in general is clearly influenced by superficial comments and remarks which usually come from mindsets focused on old OS wars or glamourous/gossip-style behaviour.


I could not have worded it better myself.
The forums here and there are full of stupid device or OS wars based on yesterday analysis and rarely able to focus on where we will be next.

Just a small handful of tech press can "think" by themselves and analyze what "may" happen in the future, while all other press just repeat like parrots what others said. And in turn the forum posts by brand loyal fanboys.

Facts are facts, opinions are opinions. The facts say: WP WW market is growing.
Any opinion based on or suggesting WP is declining market NOW and heading to its death is in principle a worthless opinion because it ignores the facts.

If people want to express valuable opinions then they have to think of solid reasoned arguments that can justify changes in the current market trend. Like a mayor change in the tech world that will affect WP but not iOS or Android, a licenses issue that will only affect WP, … something that shows a well thought logic that can apply worldwide (and not only to the micro market only existing in the mind of the user expressing a flamed and biased opinion) and would justify that 2014 will be different.

But as said there are only a few tech press that are independent enough, brand agnostic and intelligent to analyze what will come, not like all others that can only talk about what is now, hooray … ;)

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RE[4]: Doesn't matter
by allanregistos on Tue 24th Sep 2013 04:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Doesn't matter"
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10


Facts are facts, opinions are opinions. The facts say: WP WW market is growing.
Any opinion based on or suggesting WP is declining market NOW and heading to its death is in principle a worthless opinion because it ignores the facts.

WW= Worldwide?
In my country, I've only seen one Windows phone being used. All were using old Nokia brands(now minority) the majority were using Android devices mostly made from Samsung, HTC, LG etc. I've asked a friend how Lumia penetrated our local market, and its negative, so from where I was standing, Nokia Win Phone is not declining, its a failure.

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RE[5]: Doesn't matter
by double_s on Tue 24th Sep 2013 12:55 in reply to "RE[4]: Doesn't matter"
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2011-08-11

I could agree to your comment if we are evaluating WP IN YOUR COUNTRY, but most statements say "failure" with any clarification of region/country.

This said, it seems like many are naïf thinking that a player can come with his products into a mature markets and just get a 20 or 30% share just because of their pretty face. Be it cars, furniture, cooking tools, clothing, or food, when you sell similar products to your competitors you are happy to get 5% of the market.

The story behind the iPhone is kind of different as it evolved a market and yes it magically became the main player. Good for them. It took Nokia ages to get a similar market share because Nokia phones being good where not that revolutionary from all other phones.

Should I be considering the 5-10% market share of Apple computers an utterly failure? Apple fan boys can be talking for hours about the Airbook, but honestly in WW sold units ... it sells like a Nokia Lumia or worse. You won't hear me saying the Airbook is a failure. Perpective.

Now any company, be it Microsoft, Jolla, Jaguar, Rebook, Logitech or whoever, expected to come with a similar product and all of the sudden get a 30% market share? Why should it?
You may get those numbers when you really have something new everyone wants. And WP is not the shock the iPhone was 6 years ago, or Nintendo Wii at the time. So selling 3%, 5% or 15% is not that bad figure if people get perspective of things.
And Audi R8 sells less than that. Also a failure? Toyota Prius … great product …. Do they have a 30% market share? Is Toyota a failure? Perspective.

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RE[4]: Doesn't matter
by TBPrince on Tue 24th Sep 2013 22:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Doesn't matter"
TBPrince Member since:
2005-07-06

Agreed.

There's simply no more room to sell devices in the tens of millions in a few months. Apple and Samsung capitalized their chances ealier when market was growing much faster than it is now. Which has been good for them but definitely non-conclusive.

Apparently, no-one remembers when people were making fun of Xbox. Who's leading that market today ?

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