Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 22:52 UTC
Apple

Apple today announced it has sold a record-breaking nine million new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c models, just three days after the launch of the new iPhones on September 20. In addition, more than 200 million iOS devices are now running the completely redesigned iOS 7, making it the fastest software upgrade in history.

Impressive.

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Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:23 UTC
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2006-01-25

This is the first time they have released 2 new phones at the same time...

Its an impressive feat to move that much inventory of such high dollar items in such a short time. But all the media coverage is using this combined total of units and comparing it to previous launches - that is just silly. A rather large number of those 9 million sales are 5Cs, and that is simply not relevant when comparing to past performance...

How many of the 5S model were sold? That is the only relevant number if you are comparing to previous launches. I don't see anyone reporting that number...

I have no doubt it is in the same ballpark (5 million or so), but I doubt it is much higher, and if it is actually lower this news tells a completely different story...

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RE: Apples and Oranges
by leos on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:28 in reply to "Apples and Oranges"
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2005-09-21

Informal metrics show that the 5S outsold the 5c by 3.5x. Which makes sense given that anyone willing to jump on an iPhone on the launch weekend is likely after the new shiny 5S, not the rebadged last year's model.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/23/iphone-5s-3-times-more-po...

Edited 2013-09-23 23:29 UTC

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RE[2]: Apples and Oranges
by _txf_ on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:39 in reply to "RE: Apples and Oranges"
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2008-03-17

Informal metrics show that the 5S outsold the 5c by 3.5x.


Coupled with the stories that people went crazy waiting in line for the "gold" version.

Seriously, fights were started. I can't understand why the colour of a phone would have this effect (it isn't all that much more pretty).

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RE[2]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:39 in reply to "RE: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Informal metrics show that the 5S outsold the 5c by 3.5x.


I don't doubt that could be accurate, but it is a rather round-about way to come about the stats (counting carrier activations).

Regardless, I'm still a bit skeptical. If it turns out to be exactly 3.5x, well that puts the sales of the 5S way ahead of the 5 launch (7 million units)...

Why would Apple not report this instead of this "combined" number??? It just looks a bit shady to me.

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RE[2]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 17:52 in reply to "RE: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

I think this explains alot...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/09/24/the_truth_ab...

So I think your numbers by activation are probably right (3.5x more 5S) - they sold far more of the 5S model. The problem is, according to this report, Carriers are currently sitting on 3.5 million 5Cs that Apple is reporting as "sold" when in fact they are not in consumers hands yet...

In previous launches, when Apple reported launch weekend numbers, virtually all carrier inventory was gone by the end of the weekend. That didn't happen this time, the 5C is still readily available almost everywhere.

So its not really 9 million, its more like 5.5 million - if you are looking at actual sales to consumers...

Im not saying that Apple lied or anything of the sort - they did sell 9 million units on launch weekend - to carriers... But this time around the carriers didn't sell out of initial inventory. Just go look on Apples or one of the carriers sites if you want confirmation. The 5C is listed as immediately available right now almost everywhere - the 5S is 3-4 weeks out...

If this is right, and the split between 5S/5C was 80/20, then Apple's year-to-year sales of their flagship model dropped a bit...

Not quite as impressive anymore is it? And I get ragged on for questioning the data...

Edited 2013-09-24 18:09 UTC

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RE: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:51 in reply to "Apples and Oranges"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

To whoever modded me down:

Would you mind posting what exactly about my comment was inaccurate, trollish, or off-topic?

This is supposed to be a discussion forum... Why don't you, I don't know... discuss things instead of performing drive by mods for no reason other than personal biases?

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