Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 22:52 UTC
Apple

Apple today announced it has sold a record-breaking nine million new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c models, just three days after the launch of the new iPhones on September 20. In addition, more than 200 million iOS devices are now running the completely redesigned iOS 7, making it the fastest software upgrade in history.

Impressive.

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RE: Apples and Oranges
by leos on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:28 UTC in reply to "Apples and Oranges"
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2005-09-21

Informal metrics show that the 5S outsold the 5c by 3.5x. Which makes sense given that anyone willing to jump on an iPhone on the launch weekend is likely after the new shiny 5S, not the rebadged last year's model.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/23/iphone-5s-3-times-more-po...

Edited 2013-09-23 23:29 UTC

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RE[2]: Apples and Oranges
by _txf_ on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:39 in reply to "RE: Apples and Oranges"
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2008-03-17

Informal metrics show that the 5S outsold the 5c by 3.5x.


Coupled with the stories that people went crazy waiting in line for the "gold" version.

Seriously, fights were started. I can't understand why the colour of a phone would have this effect (it isn't all that much more pretty).

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by HappyGod on Tue 24th Sep 2013 00:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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2005-10-19

I think it's just a case of artificially restricted numbers. Apple are the masters of creating demand by restricting the handsets.

Ever wondered why they always sell out of handsets? I think it's pretty obvious that they manufacture that rarity in order to push sales.

And it really, really works. I bought one! :-)

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by WorknMan on Tue 24th Sep 2013 00:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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2005-11-13

I can't understand why the colour of a phone would have this effect (it isn't all that much more pretty).


To any rational thinking person, it could drive you crazy trying to make sense of this. But when you consider that most people are f**king idiots (and I'm talking about the ones who consider the 'sex appeal' of a device or what color it comes in as the most important factor in the buying decision), it really puts things into perspective.

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by kwan_e on Tue 24th Sep 2013 01:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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2007-02-18

Seriously, fights were started. I can't understand why the colour of a phone would have this effect (it isn't all that much more pretty).


Because as every fanboy likes to tell us, most consumers are thoughtful about every purchase that they buy and are not subject to advertising or cheap psychological tricks.

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RE[2]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:39 in reply to "RE: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Informal metrics show that the 5S outsold the 5c by 3.5x.


I don't doubt that could be accurate, but it is a rather round-about way to come about the stats (counting carrier activations).

Regardless, I'm still a bit skeptical. If it turns out to be exactly 3.5x, well that puts the sales of the 5S way ahead of the 5 launch (7 million units)...

Why would Apple not report this instead of this "combined" number??? It just looks a bit shady to me.

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by Windows Sucks on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 23:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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2005-11-10

Interesting, companies like Sammy don't report numbers at all and yet get credit for selling millions.

And Android is credited at a billion sales when the numbers from Google are listed as activations.

Everyone massages their numbers.

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Fri 27th Sep 2013 01:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

"Informal metrics show that the 5S outsold the 5c by 3.5x.


I don't doubt that could be accurate, but it is a rather round-about way to come about the stats (counting carrier activations).

Regardless, I'm still a bit skeptical. If it turns out to be exactly 3.5x, well that puts the sales of the 5S way ahead of the 5 launch (7 million units)...

Why would Apple not report this instead of this "combined" number??? It just looks a bit shady to me.
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Well I was probably right...

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/26/opening-weekend-iphone-5s...

Edited 2013-09-27 01:49 UTC

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RE[2]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 17:52 in reply to "RE: Apples and Oranges"
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2006-01-25

I think this explains alot...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/09/24/the_truth_ab...

So I think your numbers by activation are probably right (3.5x more 5S) - they sold far more of the 5S model. The problem is, according to this report, Carriers are currently sitting on 3.5 million 5Cs that Apple is reporting as "sold" when in fact they are not in consumers hands yet...

In previous launches, when Apple reported launch weekend numbers, virtually all carrier inventory was gone by the end of the weekend. That didn't happen this time, the 5C is still readily available almost everywhere.

So its not really 9 million, its more like 5.5 million - if you are looking at actual sales to consumers...

Im not saying that Apple lied or anything of the sort - they did sell 9 million units on launch weekend - to carriers... But this time around the carriers didn't sell out of initial inventory. Just go look on Apples or one of the carriers sites if you want confirmation. The 5C is listed as immediately available right now almost everywhere - the 5S is 3-4 weeks out...

If this is right, and the split between 5S/5C was 80/20, then Apple's year-to-year sales of their flagship model dropped a bit...

Not quite as impressive anymore is it? And I get ragged on for questioning the data...

Edited 2013-09-24 18:09 UTC

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by jared_wilkes on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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2011-04-25

You get ragged on for mostly spouting nonsense and not actually looking at the data as presented that you are questioning. Even now, you can't figure out that if you use the data for 5S/5C ratio, you would get a 29% increase in sales, not worse performance. And you've constantly been moving the goalposts: it's not Apple, it's the media you're questioning; it's not the media you're questioning, it's Apple, but you aren't questioning Apple, you just have suspicions; iPhone 5C is irrelevant because it's like the 4S last year; iPhone 5C is sitting on shelves so the numbers are a lie... Etc.

Edited 2013-09-24 18:23 UTC

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 21:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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2006-01-25

Forbes is throwing their hat into the ring now...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/09/23/iphone-5c-channel...

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Wed 25th Sep 2013 04:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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