Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 22:52 UTC
Apple

Apple today announced it has sold a record-breaking nine million new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c models, just three days after the launch of the new iPhones on September 20. In addition, more than 200 million iOS devices are now running the completely redesigned iOS 7, making it the fastest software upgrade in history.

Impressive.

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RE[2]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 17:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash
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I think this explains alot...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/09/24/the_truth_ab...

So I think your numbers by activation are probably right (3.5x more 5S) - they sold far more of the 5S model. The problem is, according to this report, Carriers are currently sitting on 3.5 million 5Cs that Apple is reporting as "sold" when in fact they are not in consumers hands yet...

In previous launches, when Apple reported launch weekend numbers, virtually all carrier inventory was gone by the end of the weekend. That didn't happen this time, the 5C is still readily available almost everywhere.

So its not really 9 million, its more like 5.5 million - if you are looking at actual sales to consumers...

Im not saying that Apple lied or anything of the sort - they did sell 9 million units on launch weekend - to carriers... But this time around the carriers didn't sell out of initial inventory. Just go look on Apples or one of the carriers sites if you want confirmation. The 5C is listed as immediately available right now almost everywhere - the 5S is 3-4 weeks out...

If this is right, and the split between 5S/5C was 80/20, then Apple's year-to-year sales of their flagship model dropped a bit...

Not quite as impressive anymore is it? And I get ragged on for questioning the data...

Edited 2013-09-24 18:09 UTC

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by jared_wilkes on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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2011-04-25

You get ragged on for mostly spouting nonsense and not actually looking at the data as presented that you are questioning. Even now, you can't figure out that if you use the data for 5S/5C ratio, you would get a 29% increase in sales, not worse performance. And you've constantly been moving the goalposts: it's not Apple, it's the media you're questioning; it's not the media you're questioning, it's Apple, but you aren't questioning Apple, you just have suspicions; iPhone 5C is irrelevant because it's like the 4S last year; iPhone 5C is sitting on shelves so the numbers are a lie... Etc.

Edited 2013-09-24 18:23 UTC

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RE[4]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

You get ragged on for mostly spouting nonsense and not actually looking at the data as presented that you are questioning. Even now, you can't figure out that if you use the data for 5S/5C ratio, you would get a 29% increase in sales, not worse performance.


Um...

5.5 million X .80 = 4.4 million

4.4 million is less than 5 million

At least using, you know, math. Not sure what you are using...

And you've constantly been moving the goalposts: it's not Apple, it's the media you're questioning; it's not the media you're questioning, it's Apple, but you aren't questioning Apple, you just have suspicions; iPhone 5C is irrelevant because it's like the 4S last year; iPhone 5C is sitting on shelves so the numbers are a lie... Etc.


I get it. You don't care about the actual numbers and what they mean relative to previous launches. Thats fine, I don't care. But I questioned the numbers because there was something fishy about them and now we know what it was...

I prefer facts to press releases, but that is just me.

Edited 2013-09-24 18:35 UTC

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RE[4]: Apples and Oranges
by jared_wilkes on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:41 in reply to "RE[3]: Apples and Oranges"
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2011-04-25

I meant to type 39% in my original comment. Apologies.

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 21:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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2006-01-25

Forbes is throwing their hat into the ring now...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/09/23/iphone-5c-channel...

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RE[3]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Wed 25th Sep 2013 04:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Apples and Oranges"
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RE[4]: Apples and Oranges
by jared_wilkes on Wed 25th Sep 2013 04:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Apples and Oranges"
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2011-04-25

It's called aggregation. I can point to 10 stories that are exclusively sourced from one weak source on any topic you name.

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