Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Sep 2013 22:52 UTC
Apple

Apple today announced it has sold a record-breaking nine million new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c models, just three days after the launch of the new iPhones on September 20. In addition, more than 200 million iOS devices are now running the completely redesigned iOS 7, making it the fastest software upgrade in history.

Impressive.

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RE[4]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash
Member since:
2006-01-25

You get ragged on for mostly spouting nonsense and not actually looking at the data as presented that you are questioning. Even now, you can't figure out that if you use the data for 5S/5C ratio, you would get a 29% increase in sales, not worse performance.


Um...

5.5 million X .80 = 4.4 million

4.4 million is less than 5 million

At least using, you know, math. Not sure what you are using...

And you've constantly been moving the goalposts: it's not Apple, it's the media you're questioning; it's not the media you're questioning, it's Apple, but you aren't questioning Apple, you just have suspicions; iPhone 5C is irrelevant because it's like the 4S last year; iPhone 5C is sitting on shelves so the numbers are a lie... Etc.


I get it. You don't care about the actual numbers and what they mean relative to previous launches. Thats fine, I don't care. But I questioned the numbers because there was something fishy about them and now we know what it was...

I prefer facts to press releases, but that is just me.

Edited 2013-09-24 18:35 UTC

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RE[5]: Apples and Oranges
by jared_wilkes on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:40 in reply to "RE[4]: Apples and Oranges"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

Umm, you appear to have made up that 5.5 number and that 80% number.

It's your argument that the 5C is irrelevant. So it being on shelves is irrelevant. The 5S is not sitting on shelves.

So...

3.4x (the number of 5S) + x (the number of 5C) = 9 million

x (the number of 5C) = 2.05 million

3.4x (the number of 5S) = 6.95 million

6.95 million is 39% greater than 5 million. (My previous post I typoed and entered 29%).

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RE[6]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:46 in reply to "RE[5]: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

It's your argument that the 5C is irrelevant. So it being on shelves is irrelevant. The 5S is not sitting on shelves.

So...

3.4x (the number of 5S) + x (the number of 5C) = 9 million

x (the number of 5C) = 2.05 million

3.4x (the number of 5S) = 6.95 million

6.95 million is 39% greater than 5 million. (My previous post I typoed and entered 29%).


I was right, your not using math... that is pretty creative though.

The whole point is if there are 3.5 million 5Cs still in the channel after the launch weekend (and virtually no 5Ss) and Apple sold 9 million into the channel...

9 - 3.5 = 5.5 million

That is how many phones were sold to consumers in total.

If the mix was 80/20, then 80% of those were 5S models. That is 4.4 million. The 80/20 number comes from activations... There would be no activations on the 3.5 million sitting in inventory.

(btw - Im getting my 80/20 split estimate from here: http://9to5mac.com/2013/09/24/new-report-claims-china-leads-demand-... ),

Math is a wonderful thing when used correctly...

Edited 2013-09-24 18:53 UTC

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RE[5]: Apples and Oranges
by jared_wilkes on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Apples and Oranges"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

Myself and several more astute observers have already more thoroughly analyzed the data elsewhere.

Don't suggest I don't care about the data just because I think you've asked foolish questions which are either already answered or immaterial. There are such things as stupid questions.

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RE[6]: Apples and Oranges
by galvanash on Tue 24th Sep 2013 18:59 in reply to "RE[5]: Apples and Oranges"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Myself and several more astute observers have already more thoroughly analyzed the data elsewhere.[/q[

I'll bite. Link please.

[q]Don't suggest I don't care about the data just because I think you've asked foolish questions which are either already answered or immaterial. There are such things as stupid questions.


The question was answered, just not here and not by you... I found the answer to my question - how many 5Ss were sold (somewhere between 4.4 and 5 million). The number floating around here was 7 million.

I never saw you correct it... Why is that?

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