Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Oct 2013 10:16 UTC

Manual window management is awful. Windows 8 ditched windows in favor of fullscreen apps. Traditional desktop window paradigms are powerful but obsolete.

Windows 9 unifies previous contrasting paradigms, taking design cues from all platforms and recent innovations.

Just an unofficial design concept, but damn, this is sexy. This is exactly what Windows needs - a combination of the old and new, leading to something seemingly far more usable than the monstrosity that is Metro in Windows 8.

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by l3v1 on Wed 2nd Oct 2013 13:10 UTC
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Traditional desktop window paradigms are powerful

Yup, stop right there. Powerful is good. I like powerful. 'Easy' makes more-than-casual users' lives hell. Yes, 'easy'-lovers are more in numbers, but that doesn't mean powerful is outdated. It just means that they can't seem to come up with an UI that could serve the average crowd and not be a PITA of real users.

I can accept that this is happening - although I'm not happy about it -, however, I can _not_ accept that this is presented as the next big thing, everything else becoming outdated or obsolete.

Good is what enables you to do your stuff and helps you do it, or - at least - doesn't hinder you in doing it. Bad is what brings 'paradigm-shifting' 'novel' 'revolutionary' looks, but makes usage painful and frustrating, and slows routine tasks by obfuscating and hiding functionality.

I like good. I like powerful. Metro and the linked concepts are neither.

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RE: powerful
by jgagnon on Wed 2nd Oct 2013 14:32 in reply to "powerful"
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Easy doesn't have to mean hard on technical folks. Easy could just mean "easy to modify without getting in your way". Microsoft seems hell bent on removing or hiding features that technical folks use regularly and replacing them with non-customizable alternatives. It boggles the mind.

Something I would love to see in any UI: Pinnable, collapsible toolbars. With the following features:
* Pin them to any area of the screen edge
* Allow them to auto-collapse, collapse via trigger (button/switch), stay on top, stay behind, etc.
* Allow them to have as many buttons on them as I choose. Allow me to set a maximum size and having the buttons scroll if needed (with the mouse wheel preferably).
* Allow the icons to be aligned/sorted in any way I wish (single row, grid, arranged by name, manual sorting, etc.).
* Allow me to have icons pinned to the "top" of the list, letting the others scroll off or be accessible via a drop down list, etc. (maintaining the sort order I choose).
* Allow me to have as many of these toolbars as I wish.

I could go on and on in my quest for the perfect toolbar. :p

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RE[2]: powerful
by phoenix on Wed 2nd Oct 2013 15:41 in reply to "RE: powerful"
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Do you mean taskbar for managing apps?

Or toolbar for accessing features inside of apps?

If the former, you just described KDE4.

If the latter, sounds like you're the one person who actually likes how GIMP works. ;)

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RE: powerful
by WorknMan on Wed 2nd Oct 2013 16:30 in reply to "powerful"
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Yes, 'easy'-lovers are more in numbers, but that doesn't mean powerful is outdated.

Actually, powerful is outdated. The industry has made it loud and clear that if you use more than a handful of the most basic features, you're a minority and don't matter anymore. This is called the war on power users.

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RE[2]: powerful
by jgagnon on Wed 2nd Oct 2013 16:52 in reply to "RE: powerful"
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Eventually, the only power users left will be programmers as well.

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RE: powerful
by bassbeast on Fri 4th Oct 2013 06:25 in reply to "powerful"
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Bingo! We have a winner! I have NO problem with an easy mode for the noobs, what has kept me away from every MSFT OS after Win 7 is that is all you get, if you need more? too bad, no soup for you! With Win 7 I can easily kill noob junk while keeping the good ideas like jumplists and breadcrumbs, win 8? the bling is all there is, it truly IS a Fisher Price OS.

I'll just leave this here, he lays it out better than I ever could. be sure to watch until the end when he has quotes from actual usability experts on the subject and if you want a good laugh? Click on his name and watch the follow up video where he actually filmed the first time he used Win 8 OOTB. Count how many times he says "no","stop" and "I don't want that".

I can tell you that I have used just about every OS out there, from win 3.x to BSD to the more offbeat like OS/2 and BeOS and that Win 8 is the first OS I ever felt was actually fighting against the user. if I didn't do what some "marketing guru" at MSFT thought I was supposed to, which from what I could gather is what I call "FB hits and tweeting twits for shits" social crap? Well then the OS was just gonna keep slapping me until I did what it wanted, not it doing what I wanted to do.

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RE[2]: powerful
by lucas_maximus on Fri 4th Oct 2013 19:38 in reply to "RE: powerful"
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Sorry Win 8 actually got rid of a lot of the bling junk of 7 which I hated in the interface that was introduced with Vista.

I am not sure about the hot corners, but then again I am a keyboard shortcut junkie and can type pretty quickly on a clicky keyboard.

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