Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 5th Oct 2013 11:34 UTC
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Microsoft is talking to HTC about adding its Windows operating system to HTC's Android-based smartphones at little or no cost, people with knowledge of the matter said, evidence of the software maker's struggle to gain ground in the mobile market.

Terry Myerson, head of Microsoft's operating systems unit, asked HTC last month to load Windows Phone as a second option on handsets with Google's rival software, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the talks are private. Myerson discussed cutting or eliminating the license fee to make the idea more attractive, the people said. The talks are preliminary and no decision has been made, two people said.

I hope HTC and every other Android OEM flips Microsoft the bird. The shoe's on the other foot now, Redmond.

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by TechGeek on Sun 6th Oct 2013 02:03 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
TechGeek
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2006-01-14

Every rotten thing they have done has had an affect on me and just about everyone else. I work in IT. But since you asked:

1. They systematically have destroyed competition while at the same time letting their technologies stagnate.

2. They have conducted a campaign based on Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt against Linux and Open Source Software.

3. They have repeatedly stolen intellectual property while at the same time making it impossible to integrate other software into their "standards".

4. They use extortion to draw fees from anyone using Android.

Do I need to keep going on?

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by Hiev on Sun 6th Oct 2013 02:20 in reply to "RE[5]: ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

The problem with all those points, is that:

1) You don't have a way to measure if that affected you or not.

2) What you call FUD is subjective in your own pov.

3) It is the same bs all the sheep keep repeating w/o actually proving nothing.

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by Dano on Sun 6th Oct 2013 03:47 in reply to "RE[5]: ..."
Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

Every rotten thing they have done has had an affect on me and just about everyone else. I work in IT. But since you asked:

Wow you really take this personally. Microsoft has not won in every area and that is especially evident at the moment. No one gives Microsoft credit in the technologies that they have brought to market that are pretty excellent (.NET, improving SQL Server, developed the NT kernel, advanced programming language developments like C#). Some of the most talented computer scientists in the world still work for Microsoft.


1. They systematically have destroyed competition while at the same time letting their technologies stagnate.

This is not really true and is very general. Remember, it was Microsoft's initial investment in Apple that allowed Jobs to bring Apple and the Mac back from the brink. All of the great things that Apple did after that came from a company that was almost bankrupt.

People make the argument that Microsoft destroyed OS/2 for example, but really IBM screwed up the marketing of the OS and with it's Windows compatibility layer, it was doomed for the consumer market. Yeah Microsoft messed with Internet standards with IE and they kind of squashed OpenGL, this can happen with competition.

As far as stagnate, I would not use this word with Microsoft. There have been so many changes in the programming models in .NET, many Microsoft programmers (like myself) head is always spinning trying to learn what is the latest technology that is being introduced in next year's Visual Studio. Last year it was XMAL and .NET programming integration for Win8, a few years back it was LINQ, a year before that is was something else. There are like 5 ways to programming anything on Windows, each model being more sophisticated than last year. From Windows Forms to Windows Presentation Foundation, from .NET Remoting to Windows Communication Foundation. Don't also forget all of the programming and computer science books that Microsoft publishes yearly. Yeah Metro apps mostly suck and so does Metro, but at least it's trying something in a new direction. I would hardly call this "stagnant". What has gone on in technology with other OS's that can match these changes? There are applications that can be easily written and deployed on Windows that would be quite complicated on other operating systems just because of the development tools that are available. I think that you are talking out of your ass.


2. They have conducted a campaign based on Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt against Linux and Open Source Software.


Not really. They used to see Linux as a competitor to Windows Server for sure. But on the desktop, it's not even a threat at this point. The Linux desktop is still really fragmented with a bunch of different libraries and is really made for computer savvy geeks. Even Miguel de Icaza of the Mono project is complaining that desktop Linux still is not there and the driver support sucks. Linux is awesome for running Samba, MySQL, supporting Android, embedded applications and perhaps some other small areas but desktop Linux in it's current form is not enough to support the general computing world like Windows or Mac OS. Like it or not, commercial OS's are needed to bring the level of application quality to the general public. The general public needs to visit the Genius Bar at the Apple store, not post for help in some Wiki and then get berated by developers.


3. They have repeatedly stolen intellectual property while at the same time making it impossible to integrate other software into their "standards".

What exactly was stolen? When you have a dominant position in the marketplace and your technology is good, then you can make it difficult for other people to integrate with your technologies since it's closed source/commercial. It's called business. They don't program for free and altruistic reasons, and they can't keep programmers working under that type of model. From what I have seen with free software, this model can create some good products (like GCC for example), but it can be difficult to get people working for free, just to agree on anything. I have watched a bunch of software organizations writing desktop environments and distributions for Linux flame out just because they run out of money and can't keep people employed.


4. They use extortion to draw fees from anyone using Android.


You mean software patent fees? Elaborate please...

Bottom line it seems is that people are willing to dump on Windows Phone 8 because Microsoft is still evil, no matter what the merits of the platform are...and there are many in this current iteration. I expect Windows Phone 8.1 to bring more interesting technologies and more business deals to make it stay around for a while.

Edited 2013-10-06 04:04 UTC

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