Linked by MOS6510 on Sun 6th Oct 2013 10:59 UTC
Apple

This wasn't Grignon's typical route to work. He was a senior engineer at Apple in Cupertino, the town just west of Campbell. His morning drive typically covered seven miles and took exactly 15 minutes. But today was different. He was going to watch his boss, Steve Jobs, make history at the Macworld trade show in San Francisco. Apple fans had for years begged Jobs to put a cellphone inside their iPods so they could stop carrying two devices in their pockets. Jobs was about to fulfill that wish. Grignon and some colleagues would spend the night at a nearby hotel, and around 10 a.m. the following day they - along with the rest of the world - would watch Jobs unveil the first iPhone.

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So bored with the deification of Jobs
by nicholasj on Sun 6th Oct 2013 21:27 UTC
nicholasj
Member since:
2008-12-10

From all accounts, Steve Jobs was a talented, capricious, visionary monomaniac, who could be a complete bastard to work with. He was not the Second Coming.

I honestly wonder (and this is from someone who passionately hated Microsoft's behaviour during the late nineties, early noughties) whether Bill Gates will be seen as far more historically important by the time we hit the end of the century.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

I honestly wonder (and this is from someone who passionately hated Microsoft's behaviour during the late nineties, early noughties) whether Bill Gates will be seen as far more historically important by the time we hit the end of the century.


Bill Gates will probably be revered. Steve Jobs will probably be remembered as some guy who briefly worked with Steve Wozniak.

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ezraz Member since:
2012-06-20

Bill Gates will probably be revered. Steve Jobs will probably be remembered as some guy who briefly worked with Steve Wozniak.


Whatever. Every last one of you would be using technology far less sophisticated and well-designed now if it wasn't for Steve Jobs and his ranting personality. He didn't accept that certain things couldn't be done. He didn't accept that his company couldn't complete this task. He wasn't afraid to tell someone they can do better. Finally, he had enough business sense to fund all this stuff in the marketplace, not in a lab.

Where are the stories of Samsung or Nokia or Motorola holing up 1000 high-salary engineers for 2.5 years to design completely new products?

Apple isn't a fashion company, but it's the first computer company to acknowledge that fashion, when applied to tech, is called design, and without good design you have a nerdy box of nerd stuff that only nerds can use. Nerds are cool, I guess I am one, but there will always be more non-nerds than nerds based on the definition of a nerd.

For some reason Apple seems to be the only tech company that looks at well designed items from the past for inspiration. There is a lot of 20th century camera, watch, aviation, and even firearm technology in Apple's mobiles.

Everyone else is about the new box with new specs - replaceable tech. Purchase Purchase Purchase new stuff! Once you've bought? Please buy a new one. Not much support on that old one. That old one is OLD haha!

Tomorrow I'm finally upgrading a 3G from 2008 to a 5C. That 3G has been to the Apple store for a (free) checkup once in 5 years.

So much Apple jealousy that manifests as hate, but the market is wide open to build better devices and treat customers better than Apple does. Look at Samsung - they can rip off the designs, they can build almost as good as Apple, yet their support and product lifecycles don't get close. My friends will burn through 5 Samsungs in the time I use 1 iPhone - probably good for Samsung's bottom line, but not good for much else.

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Re: Bill Gates verse Steve Jobs. You can't attack Jobs & Apple for 'copying and improving' while still giving credit to Bill Gates' Microsoft. They built their entire empire on a completed QDOS that they bought for $50k and then licensed to IBM. Killer business move but not much in the way of engineering prowess. Windows itself was a direct reaction to not being able to get into Apple's new Mac OS (Apple contracted them for apps only, no OS work, and MS immediately launched the Windows project). What are the amazing engineering feets by Microsoft? Where did they push the industry forward? When did something come out of their labs (not purchased) that changed the world?

Edited 2013-10-07 14:38 UTC

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japh Member since:
2005-11-11

I honestly wonder (and this is from someone who passionately hated Microsoft's behaviour during the late nineties, early noughties) whether Bill Gates will be seen as far more historically important by the time we hit the end of the century.


The end of the century is almost 90 years away. Personally, I doubt that either Gates or Jobs will be remembered that much at all by that time.

Who will be seen as more historically important?
Me, I think they will probably be though of the same way. They were both the names behind technologies whose time had come.
If not them, someone else. They didn't invent, they brought it to the masses, riding on a wave they didn't create themselves.

That being said, we still remember the name Henry Ford, even if everyone probably believes that we'd still have cars, more or less the same even without him.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

The end of the century is almost 90 years away. Personally, I doubt that either Gates or Jobs will be remembered that much at all by that time.


Gates will probably be remembered as the greatest philanthropist in history. If he succeeds in eliminating malaria he will have saved the lives of over 100 million people by 2100.

That being said, we still remember the name Henry Ford, even if everyone probably believes that we'd still have cars, more or less the same even without him.


Fords genius was making extremely cheap, very reliable mass-produced cars available for the first time. His cars weren't particularly advanced but his manufacturing methods were totally revolutionary.

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M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

Who will be seen as more historically important?
Me. [snip]


This is how I read it first time around. I was agog to hear what you were planning on doing in the next 90 years to garner such a reputation, but alas ...

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