Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Oct 2013 20:54 UTC
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Samsung's Galaxy Gear television advertisement bears a resemblance to the original iPhone advertisement.

This made me smile, though:

There is just no shame - or original ideas - in this company at all.

Yeah! Except for display technology. Oh, and except for microprocessor design. And, of course, they are a driving force in memory chip design. Well, yeah, except for all those things from which virtually every computer product today benefits - Apple or otherwise - Samsung has absolutely no innovative ideas at all. What have the Romans done for us, indeed.

I don't care about Samsung any more than I care about other companies, but to shove the company's contributions to technology aside just because you lack the capacity to grasp the kind of more bare metal innovation they do just makes you look like an idiot.

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RE: Comment by viton
by henderson101 on Tue 8th Oct 2013 12:39 UTC in reply to "Comment by viton"
henderson101
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2006-05-30

Both Apple and Samsung take off the shelf ARM designed cores and add in their own tweaks. Neither are doing anything revolutionary. It's akin to building a prefab house, but one set of guys uses a slightly different kitchen module, and the other has a slightly different bedroom layout.

If Apple was taking the ARM instruction set and creating a chip from scratch - that would be something amazing. No idea what the A7 core is based on - maybe they did this time. But chances are low.

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RE[2]: Comment by viton
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 8th Oct 2013 14:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by viton"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Apple A7 uses the 64 bit ARM v8 design, I think.
Samsung is on the same level when it comes to SOC design. HTC/Motorola/Nokia just get their SOC's from the likes of Qualacom. Which is somewhat ironic for Moto, as they used to own Freescale which also does arm SOC's ( albeit not for high performance consume mobile devices).

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RE[2]: Comment by viton
by jared_wilkes on Tue 8th Oct 2013 16:45 in reply to "RE: Comment by viton"
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2011-04-25

You are wrong on almost every count. The A6 features the custom, Apple-exclusive Swift cores. It is a new core design for ARM. The A7 features an even newer core design that AnandTech has dubbed Oscar based on some evidence. Unlike Apple and Qualcomm who are ARM ISA licensees producing new core designs, Samsung is not.

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RE[2]: Comment by viton
by koffie on Tue 8th Oct 2013 16:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by viton"
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2010-05-06

Sorry, simply not true.

Apple has an ARM architectural licence, meaning they can build CPU's with the ARM instruction set. It is the first-one to have a 64bit ARM cpu in production. So yes they use the ARM instruction set, and probably a lot of IP of ARM and others (the most important being the GPU), but they do have their own CPU design. Not an ARM designed core.

Samsung on the other hand has an ARM core license, which means they can design and produce a chip built from ARM "building blocks". Sure - some serious know-how is still needed for this, but this is nothing compared to what you need to design a CPU from ground up.

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RE[3]: Comment by viton
by JAlexoid on Wed 9th Oct 2013 09:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by viton"
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2009-05-19

Considering what companies they acquired the time they had, their cores are tweaks of the ARM cores. Consider this - it takes Intel 2 years to build a new generation of cores(tick out of tick-tock) and Apple can't even come close to the amount that Intel spends on R&D in that area...
Both Chipworks and AnadTech only commented that the cores are manually laid out and there is little evidence that the actual processing blocks were custom designed.

Edited 2013-10-09 10:01 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by viton
by viton on Tue 8th Oct 2013 17:32 in reply to "RE: Comment by viton"
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2005-08-09

If Apple was taking the ARM instruction set and creating a chip from scratch - that would be something amazing. No idea what the A7 core is based on - maybe they did this time. But chances are low.

They did it with A6 and A7.
A6 was most power effecient ARMv7-compatible cpu to date with comparable to Silvermont performance (per cycle). A7 totally destroys it.
Also A7 is first mass produced 64bit ARM chip.

Samsung will show off-the-shelf 64bit ARM CortexA5x in 2014 as well as in-house designed cores (unknown timeline).

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