Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Oct 2013 20:54 UTC
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Samsung's Galaxy Gear television advertisement bears a resemblance to the original iPhone advertisement.

This made me smile, though:

There is just no shame - or original ideas - in this company at all.

Yeah! Except for display technology. Oh, and except for microprocessor design. And, of course, they are a driving force in memory chip design. Well, yeah, except for all those things from which virtually every computer product today benefits - Apple or otherwise - Samsung has absolutely no innovative ideas at all. What have the Romans done for us, indeed.

I don't care about Samsung any more than I care about other companies, but to shove the company's contributions to technology aside just because you lack the capacity to grasp the kind of more bare metal innovation they do just makes you look like an idiot.

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RE[2]: blind fools
by ezraz on Tue 8th Oct 2013 16:02 UTC in reply to "RE: blind fools"
ezraz
Member since:
2012-06-20

"It's a simple software update away for Apple to give all sort of Android-software features, if they want to.


Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's not stealing. Every company in every industry "steal" from the competition, it's just funny how many Apple fans stubbornly insist that Apple doesn't ever do it.
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I personally have never said that. I know Apple is inspired by other products. I know they compete in the marketplace with certain features and all that. I know they probably "steal" in many senses of the word, on individual features or details within an overall design.

But I believe, as a user of many technology companies' products, that Apple represents one of the best designers working in the consumer space today. From any country. At almost any price point.

In other market segments, luxury makers try to give their products Apple polish. Look into features like engineering tolerances, flex ratings, drop tests, airflow management, battery design and features, weight distribution, manufacturing consistency, etc etc etc and you will find Apple above other computer companies. They just care more because their primary value in the open marketplace is that they are built better.

Since it's a computer we are talking about, it's software AND hardware that is built. Apple first jumped ahead in hardware in the 70's Apple 2 Woz era, then with the 80's MacOS - their software was admired while their hardware was overpriced and non-standard. That's pre-UNIX, pre-Intel Apple. Now with Unix, iOS, Intel inside, and their leadership in ARM designs, and Jon Ive, Apple has serious strength in all of the above.

Which is why they are now one of the richest companies in the world and just become the most popular brands in the world. And Android is still owned by an advertising company.

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RE[3]: blind fools
by theinonen on Tue 8th Oct 2013 18:04 in reply to "RE[2]: blind fools"
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2009-10-06

Google may be an advertising company but that is ok, as Apple is also mainly a marketing company.

They sell average products at premium prices to people that buy them mostly as status indicators. Apple having the best designed equipment is mostly an illusion and clever marketing.

Apple products are nowdays everywhere, so it will only be a matter of time before people start looking to other direction when they want to differentiate themself from the others. Everyone wants to feel they are somehow special and with the equipment they use they are sending that message to others. Switching to Intel they lost that "think different" factor and turned to just another IBM PC clone maker they ridiculed in the past. Just another Unix is also not enough to be different enough.

Apple is starting to feel the pressure, so they release software full of bugs before it is really completed or tested properly. It really is sad if people find lots of different bugs in couple minutes after software update and makes you wander if they even tested it at all.

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RE[4]: blind fools
by ezraz on Tue 8th Oct 2013 18:29 in reply to "RE[3]: blind fools"
ezraz Member since:
2012-06-20

Google may be an advertising company but that is ok, as Apple is also mainly a marketing company.

They sell average products at premium prices to people that buy them mostly as status indicators. Apple having the best designed equipment is mostly an illusion and clever marketing.

Apple products are nowdays everywhere, so it will only be a matter of time before people start looking to other direction when they want to differentiate themself from the others. Everyone wants to feel they are somehow special and with the equipment they use they are sending that message to others. Switching to Intel they lost that "think different" factor and turned to just another IBM PC clone maker they ridiculed in the past. Just another Unix is also not enough to be different enough.

Apple is starting to feel the pressure, so they release software full of bugs before it is really completed or tested properly. It really is sad if people find lots of different bugs in couple minutes after software update and makes you wander if they even tested it at all.


I disagree 100%. Here's why:

Nothing average about having the highest customer satisfaction rate year after year.

How can something be a status indicator and everywhere at the same time?

Most people I know with Apple's rely on them to make a living, often directly relying on them for more than socializing with friends or punching the clock with someone else's machine. SO many freelancers and mobile people use Apple because it fails the least. Go to a linux conference in the US and you see macbooks everywhere, friend.

How are they just another clone PC maker when they are the only one that runs OSX and iOS? and are so damn fashion forward too?

How are they just another unix if they make so much money off hardware and mobile?

Apple's feeling the pressure all right, all the way to the bank, and if they were hardcore capitalists instead of hippy capitalists they would buy most of their computer competitors right now. Seriously, Jobs owned most of Pixar and a chunk of Disney too. But oh their profit margin is just too good to bother diversifying too far.

Keyword highlight:::: Profit Margins ;-)

Apple will probably ride the iOS ecosystem out another 10 years with a stronger TV living room play, maybe a wearable more than the ipod mini already is wearable, and they are going into autos with the voice only interface. Android is loving being the free knockoff because this time it's ad-supported, not Microsoft monopoly supported.

Dude. If you disagree with my main points above let's just chalk this up to a difference in market perspective. i am i the heart of america and have been using various platforms since the 80's. i've bought, sold, programmed, supported, and recycled computers. so i'm just one man with an opinion and can't internet fight my day away.

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RE[3]: blind fools
by JAlexoid on Wed 9th Oct 2013 10:12 in reply to "RE[2]: blind fools"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

In other market segments, luxury makers try to give their products Apple polish. Look into features like engineering tolerances, flex ratings, drop tests, airflow management, battery design and features, weight distribution, manufacturing consistency, etc etc etc and you will find Apple above other computer companies. They just care more because their primary value in the open marketplace is that they are built better.

Apple polish? Since when does a high quality that we expect from any premium product is called "Apple polish"? Maybe we should say BMW or Mercedes polish? You know because those companies did it even before Job's parents were conceived.
Geez... Love Apple, but don't to rewrite history.

Since it's a computer we are talking about, it's software AND hardware that is built.

And please do explain what did Samsung rip-off from Apple in it's SGS4? (Hardware only please; because software is just a hack, according to your own statements)

And Android is still owned by an advertising company.

Which is relevant in what way?

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RE[4]: blind fools
by ezraz on Wed 9th Oct 2013 19:04 in reply to "RE[3]: blind fools"
ezraz Member since:
2012-06-20

"In other market segments, luxury makers try to give their products Apple polish. Look into features like engineering tolerances, flex ratings, drop tests, airflow management, battery design and features, weight distribution, manufacturing consistency, etc etc etc and you will find Apple above other computer companies. They just care more because their primary value in the open marketplace is that they are built better.

Apple polish? Since when does a high quality that we expect from any premium product is called "Apple polish"? Maybe we should say BMW or Mercedes polish? You know because those companies did it even before Job's parents were conceived.
Geez... Love Apple, but don't to rewrite history.

Since it's a computer we are talking about, it's software AND hardware that is built.

And please do explain what did Samsung rip-off from Apple in it's SGS4? (Hardware only please; because software is just a hack, according to your own statements)

And Android is still owned by an advertising company.

Which is relevant in what way?
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Agreed that luxury car brands are part of Apple's DNA. Those rich silicon valley types have been driving german sportscars since their first half-million. I'm not claiming Apple started good design, I'm saying Apple takes design aesthetic seriously, ranks the designer's voice nearly on par with the engineer, unlike just about every other computer company in existence. There are any number of classic items, from lamps to cameras to cars that inform the design of modern Apple products. That's the point, replicating and refining classic design, because great design never goes out of style.

And no I'm not going to explain how the Samsung oihj[j]-q39r is similar to my iPhone, because I don't research every new android out. I've been happily running my current iphone for 3 years. that's also my point, apple designed the modern smartphone and almost everything since 2007 wants to look like an iphone or an ipad. it doesn't want to be something else, something new. almost no mainstream androids have more cool stuff, cost more, or look completely different than an iphone. that's the only points i'm giving to the ms surface - it's providing an alternative future (one from 1996 but oh well).

I write software, so I don't know why you think I called it a hack. Wrong guy. My point was Apple is one of the few that does both well, and manages to compete in various markets in both software and hardware.

What I don't get about the Apple hate that remains (now that they make so much money) is why won't someone compete with Apple head up? Develop your own platforms that run on your own differentiated hardware, open your own chain of retail stores w/free tech support, and make it all profitable based solely on "fashion" and "greed", as some of you write off apple fanboys. Even the term is ridiculous.

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