Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th Oct 2013 21:47 UTC
Windows

Paul Thurrot has a number of rumours up about Windows Phone 8.1. Two stand out to me.

Where GDR3 is widely expected to support 5- to 6-inch screens, 8.1 will supposedly support 7- to 10-inch screens as well. This obviously infringes on Windows RT/8.x tablets, so it's not clear what the thinking is there.

So, Windows RT will become even more pointless than it already is.

Aping the iPhone navigation model, Microsoft will apparently remove the Back button from the Windows Phone hardware specification with 8.1. The Back button just doesn't make sense, I was told: Users navigate away from an app by pressing the Start button and then open a new app, just like they do on iPhone. And the "back stack" is ill-understood by users: Most don't realize what they're doing when they repeatedly hit the Back button.

This I am not happy with. The back button is my main navigational input in both Android and Windows Phone, and I miss it dearly in iOS.

I'm just hoping on performance improvements, still my biggest issue with Windows Phone. I used my HTC 8X for a few hours today, and I was stunned by just how slow everything is compared to Android 4.3. Of course, application quality is another huge issue, but there's little Microsoft can do to convince developers that their Windows Phone applications are more than just side projects done between serious work on Android and iOS.

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Been using WP8 the previous months
by reduz on Wed 9th Oct 2013 23:50 UTC
reduz
Member since:
2006-02-25

And I just can't wait to get back to Android. It sucks, It just plain sucks. I'm waiting for whathever comes next after Nexus 4 and abandoning WP ship.

I had such high hopes for it initially, but after some more months with it, I despise it.

It's just not there, it's so difficult to use, so confusing, here's a list of everything I hate from the top of my head.

-Still full of bugs, a year and many updates later.

-Worst multitasking since iPhone 1. Apps take a long time to switch (switching is instant on Android and iOS by now) and most of them don't even remeber state properly. This is unacceptable.

-Worst browser ever, can't save a single page in the cache. Leave a page loading or opened and go do something else, go back to read your pages and BAM can't load page error, even when it opened a few seconds ago.

-Worst map ever, go check some addres to enter it in maps, go back. Horray! it forgot previous state. Almost everything forgets previous state on Windows Phone when you multitask.

-Calling someone not on your recent list? check this usability win. Tap: Phone -> Addres Book -> Search -> tap contact -> tap call. Five taps to call. Why can't they like android and have call/search combined?

-Oh also, search button is not contextual it always opens Bing. Yeah, and they add another search button identical to the physical one on screens that have search. I find myself on Bing all the time i want to search thinking.. "eh.. what was I doing? how did i get here?"

-Apps suck and most useful ones (unlike ios and Android) are not only paid but pretty expensive. And yet they still work like shit because most are written for WP7 (Resuming....)

-Live tiles are a nice idea but they and bg notifications are implemented as a background process, so you may get a notification, then run out of signal (as is usual on third world countries like mine) and not be able to see what you received, because the app needs to fetch the msgs again (skype, gchat for example).

-Why can't I see the battery and network icon all the time? I have to go to the main screen THEN swipe down from the top to see it. Nothing is using that space anyway!! Why not display it all the time? This seriously pisses me off because combining the terrible multitasking with having to go to main screen and back is bad, but then forcing me to swipe down? why??? ;)

-Did I mention it's full of bugs? stupid bugs like not being able to answer calls. It's not like the phone freezes, the answer button I can pressed normally but does nothing! And also, swiping up the screensaver gets stuck, only goes up a few centimeters and i can't disable it, like if it was physically stuck!

I could go on like this forever.
Short story, I hate it, I don't understand how "customer satisfaction" is high. I can understand that there's plenty of crap Android phones out there, but the medium to high end ones blow away Windows Phone in any way.

Windows Phone 8 sucks. At the rate Microsoft is improving it, it will take at least 2 or 3 more years until it's usable as, say, Android 2.3.

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Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

You must have a lemon. What phone model do you have?

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Don't bother. He's interested in his rant and nothing more. Sprinkled with enough truthisms to make it believable, then packed to the brim with wild exaggerations.

Edited 2013-10-10 00:27 UTC

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ronaldst Member since:
2005-06-29

It's a mystery why Belfiore and Myerson still work there. It's an even bigger mystery why Belfiore has been promoted.

The MetroUI is being wasted at the hands of these folks.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Because in the epic internal power struggle which was Windows Phone and Dev Div (.NET) vs WinDiv, Windows Phone won.

The head of Windows Phone (Myerson) is probably the most powerful man at MSFT since be now runs all of Windows. Elop has JLG who runs hardware (ex Windows VP and Sinofsky lieutenant) reporting to him in Devices. The center of power has shifted.

Its a validation of WP, Metro, and that strategy. Windows Phone now has the full resources of the company at its disposal.

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Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

Alright i'll take a stab at this if no one else will:


-Still full of bugs, a year and many updates later.


Please explain where is the bug? An example?


-Worst multitasking since iPhone 1. Apps take a long time to switch (switching is instant on Android and iOS by now) and most of them don't even remeber state properly. This is unacceptable.

How are you "switching"? I don't see this on my WP8.


-Worst browser ever, can't save a single page in the cache. Leave a page loading or opened and go do something else, go back to read your pages and BAM can't load page error, even when it opened a few seconds ago.


Must be your connection. You can cache a page and start a new tab no sweat.


-Worst map ever, go check some addres to enter it in maps, go back. Horray! it forgot previous state. Almost everything forgets previous state on Windows Phone when you multitask.


What map? If you are talking about Nokia Now, you can actually download the map and run it without a connection. If you don't like that, you can run Google Maps. What application?


-Calling someone not on your recent list? check this usability win. Tap: Phone -> Addres Book -> Search -> tap contact -> tap call. Five taps to call. Why can't they like android and have call/search combined?


I agree with you on this one, there are one or two extra taps that should not be there and the dialing is buried too deep in menus. Set a tile for now or use a voice command.


-Oh also, search button is not contextual it always opens Bing. Yeah, and they add another search button identical to the physical one on screens that have search. I find myself on Bing all the time i want to search thinking.. "eh.. what was I doing? how did i get here?"


Hit the back button? Obviously Microsoft wants you to use Bing. The contectual part you got on some YouTube review correct? You can grab the Google app and set a Google search tile no problem. Or link to any other website via a tile.


-Apps suck and most useful ones (unlike ios and Android) are not only paid but pretty expensive. And yet they still work like shit because most are written for WP7 (Resuming....)


Makes no sense. There are just as many free good apps to do what you need. The paid apps are even better quality in most cases than other platforms. You have not been to the store in a while and talking out of your ass.


-Live tiles are a nice idea but they and bg notifications are implemented as a background process, so you may get a notification, then run out of signal (as is usual on third world countries like mine) and not be able to see what you received, because the app needs to fetch the msgs again (skype, gchat for example).


If you don't have a signal and nothing comes into the phone how is the app supposed to notify you?


-Why can't I see the battery and network icon all the time? I have to go to the main screen THEN swipe down from the top to see it. Nothing is using that space anyway!! Why not display it all the time?

Because the whole idea behind the modern interface is to do away with chrome. This feature is a mixed bag, and they should have an option to change this, but then it will be all over your games and other apps and take up real-estate for nothing really.


This seriously pisses me off because combining the terrible multitasking with having to go to main screen and back is bad, but then forcing me to swipe down? why??? ;)

Again, what is the rant against multitasking. You just hit your tile again and your back. Or use the back button?


-Did I mention it's full of bugs? stupid bugs like not being able to answer calls. It's not like the phone freezes, the answer button I can pressed normally but does nothing! And also, swiping up the screensaver gets stuck, only goes up a few centimeters and i can't disable it, like if it was physically stuck!


This is not a bug in WP8. It is a defective screen on your phone!


I could go on like this forever.


Please don't. Why do people rant on here before thinking?

Edited 2013-10-10 03:22 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

As someone who has used Windows Phone for longer and more extensively than anyone on this board - since launch day - I can confirm all the OP's complaints.

The multitasking one and lack of quality applications are the most pressing ones. Applications absolutely suck at saving state, and have crazy loading times - and that's even without seeing the dreadful "Resuming..."

Another major issue is the lack of progress. It almost seems as if Microsoft is incapable of updating the operating system, and it has improved little since WP8 was released - and even the move from WP7 to WP8 brought little in user benefits. Effectively, WP has stagnated from a user's point of view since the very first release. The additions we *have* seen have been meagre, at best.

Microsoft simply hasn't taken Windows Phone very seriously - that's the only explanation I can find. And don't take my word for it - even Nokia itself lamented the lack of progress in Windows Phone, and Microsoft's disinterest.

If you still deny all this, then you're either delusional, or you have an agenda.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

If you don't have a signal and nothing comes into the phone how is the app supposed to notify you?

Because if I drop off the WiFi I might not want to download that 5MB image when on my 500MB per month mobile plan, yet still want to get that email.

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