Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th Oct 2013 21:47 UTC
Windows

Paul Thurrot has a number of rumours up about Windows Phone 8.1. Two stand out to me.

Where GDR3 is widely expected to support 5- to 6-inch screens, 8.1 will supposedly support 7- to 10-inch screens as well. This obviously infringes on Windows RT/8.x tablets, so it's not clear what the thinking is there.

So, Windows RT will become even more pointless than it already is.

Aping the iPhone navigation model, Microsoft will apparently remove the Back button from the Windows Phone hardware specification with 8.1. The Back button just doesn't make sense, I was told: Users navigate away from an app by pressing the Start button and then open a new app, just like they do on iPhone. And the "back stack" is ill-understood by users: Most don't realize what they're doing when they repeatedly hit the Back button.

This I am not happy with. The back button is my main navigational input in both Android and Windows Phone, and I miss it dearly in iOS.

I'm just hoping on performance improvements, still my biggest issue with Windows Phone. I used my HTC 8X for a few hours today, and I was stunned by just how slow everything is compared to Android 4.3. Of course, application quality is another huge issue, but there's little Microsoft can do to convince developers that their Windows Phone applications are more than just side projects done between serious work on Android and iOS.

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Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Don't bother. He's interested in his rant and nothing more. Sprinkled with enough truthisms to make it believable, then packed to the brim with wild exaggerations.

Edited 2013-10-10 00:27 UTC

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I'm sorry, but having had to use a HTC WP8s for a whole month as a main phone I concur on most of the points.
It's also very obvious that WP gets the least amount of support from app developers. Audible is not showing my WSJ subscription on WP, while it's there on Android and iOS.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Fine, spell out the points with which you concur. Surely its not the inaccurate depiction of multitasking, exaggeration of state saving problems, and inaccuracy surrounding the status icon visibility.

Since you concur with most of the points but only specifically bring up one, I'm interested.

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reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

It might be an emotional rant, but I believe i'm describing true use cases. It might be personal use cases and other people might use the phone in different ways.

Still, most of these shouldn't happen and, truism or not, nothing changes the fact that Windows Phone as a whole is in a very immature state, not just the apps.

I know given enough time, Microsoft gets products to the point they are perfect, but so far after a year, WP8 hasn't changed a bit. Compare it to the loads of things that happen in the mobile space and Windows Phone is like a turd floating in the water, barely moving. The point when It was new and exciting wore off a while ago and any changes and improvements seem to be far far away in the horizon.

In other words, even if Microsoft is working hard on it ,as they always do, the rest of the mobile tech world has been moving so fast that Microsoft's usual pace of development seems like a snail.

Windows 8/Phone 8 were amazing steps forward, cards well played. It seems that took a lot of effort to get out of the door. Finally good competition for Apple and Google. But it's been a year now and all that ran out of steam. It's just not exciting to follow them anymore.

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Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

I took a year and a half just to roll out Android after the iPhone, and it was already a project long before Google purchased Android.

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Dano Member since:
2006-01-22

It's claims like "it's full of bugs" and "application quality sucks" and "it crashes" without any details... that does in-fact make it a useless rant.

There are only a few minor things that I would change in the current GGR2 release, mainly involves the email app:

1. The email app should have a "select all as read" feature. I hear that this is going to be patched.
2. When you delete an email, the email program should take you to your next unread email, instead it dumps you back to your unread email list.
3. When you go into email, it would be nice if you could default into the unread email page and not the all email page.
4. When you hit the phone dial tile, it should take you to your contact list immediately, not your call history.
5. Lack of swipe keyboard. I know that MS is coming out with a new type of swipe keyboard in future updates.
6. I am still undecided if swiping up and then clicking an answer button is good for answering a phone call. This is probably so you can't answer the phone in your pocket. I guess Android is similar with a swipe to the side.

Despite the bad, there are many more things that are better than my Android experience on my Samsung S3. WP9 is definitely more fluid and apps never crash or hang on my 925. I actually think that there are more good applications that I use daily that have nice interfaces than my S3, and I would not go back. Pretty amazing since the OS is only like a year old. I have several friends on T-Mobile that went out and traded in their old iPhones and Samsungs for a 925 after seeing mine and they love it too.

I still don't understand this rant about the worst multi-tasking...am I missing something?

Edited 2013-10-10 03:04 UTC

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reduz Member since:
2006-02-25

I never mentioned apps crashing or bad app quality per se. I don't think you even bothered to read.

Apps just forget their previous state very often when you go back to them... means just that. You are doing something, you go do something else and when you are back the app reconnects and reloads. Almost all apps in WP8 do this.

Maybe you can't notice it because you have excellent 3G/LTE where you live, I don't.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Pretty amazing since the OS is only like a year old.


It's not a year old. The OS is quite older than that. The UI layer is at least 3 years old, if not more... I mean didn't they have Zune with that UI paradigm?

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm inclined to agree. I still have my HTC Arrive, even though I'm not on Sprint anymore, and even after the 7.8 update it still had its annoying bugs. I had played with a Nokia phone with 7.8 and not a single one of those bugs existed. It's certainly plausible that he has bad hardware.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

So you have a phone running and OS we're not even talking about and you're inclined to agree. Actually, no you're not. I'm surprised by your comment.

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pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

I was going to write the same post about my experience with my HTC 8S. Everything he said is true and I could add a whole bunch of other stuff. I can't wait to get my new Android phone.

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iswrong Member since:
2012-07-15

HTC 8S


But then the 8s is really a pathetic phone. I had one, it has only 512MB RAM and its internal storage is almost filled on a fresh phone (mine had ~1 GB free). The display waves if you press the 'glass' to hard.

I now have a Lumia 920, and the experience is much better and smoother than the 8s.

That said, I have mixed feelings towards Microsoft's treatment of Windows Phone. When WP7 was introduced, it was a fresh new interface. I had a Nokia 710. The hardware was great for the price and WP7 had a lot of potential, but was hampered by limitations and bugs. For instance, the built-in messaging hub is great, if it could maintain your online presence. Usually, it would lose connection after a certain amount of time and you wouldn't receive messages. Also, background tasks did not work at all. It made applications like Skype totally useless.

Rather than fixing Windows Phone 7, they left existing users out in the cold. And rebased everything on top of the Windows NT kernel. The party line was that this was necessary for multi-core CPUs, etc. However, many of the problems that plagued Windows Phone 7 aren't fixed yet. Background applications such as Skype are still hit and miss. The messages hub works fine on my Lumia, but my wife uses my old HTC 8s for her Germany SIM card, it has the same old message hub problems. There is still no proper notification support.

Windows Phone 8 has been out for a year now, there have been some minor updates, but they are just that *minor*. The only noticeable change for me in GDR2 was data sense (which you have to hand-configure).

Microsoft is mistreating not only their customers, but also Windows Phone as a platform. It could be great. Some days one wishes that Nokia's excellent hardware could be used with Android.

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