Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Oct 2013 13:33 UTC
Windows

Less than a year ago we were preparing to launch Windows 8, which introduced our vision of highly personalized mobile computing. And here we are today announcing the global availability of Windows 8.1. Windows 8.1 demonstrates our commitment to continuously improving the product to create a richer customer experience. We are excited to have customers start updating their devices today and getting to experience new Windows devices this holiday season.

Out now for free for everyone with Windows 8.

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RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez
by WorknMan on Thu 17th Oct 2013 17:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Wafflez"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

One year ago, you had to use the new Start Screen, because Microsoft decided it for you.
Now, you have to use the new Start Button, because Microsoft decided it for you.


Actually, you don't have to do either one. It takes all but 5 minutes to install Classic Shell or Start8, and then you're done. But a year after the fact and people are still bitching about it.

'But why should I have to install a 3rd party util to have the OS do something that it should do out of the box?' Well, a few things here:

- When it comes to 3rd party utils on Windows, how many of us have never installed Teracopy, or ProcessExplorer, or a Windows Explorer replacement, or any number of other 3rd party utils to enhance the OS? Hell, in Windows 7, I used to have to install DaemonTools (to mount native ISOs) and Ultramon (to get task bars on multiple monitors), but I don't need either of these two on Windows 8. I also don't need USB 3.0 drivers, and the built-in task manager is actually decent.

- Windows isn't the only one ripping out features - think stock Android as well. (SD cards, support for non-standard bluetooth game controllers, CIFS, etc)

- The reason that Classic Shell was invented in the first place is because people hated the Start menu in Windows 7, so that certainly ain't a WIndows 8 thing ;)

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RE[3]: Comment by Wafflez
by lucas_maximus on Thu 17th Oct 2013 18:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

This a thousand times.

I tend up installing on a new workstation or OS install quite a few applications I can't live without, some I have paid for others are free.

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RE[3]: Comment by Wafflez
by ssokolow on Thu 17th Oct 2013 18:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21


- Windows isn't the only one ripping out features - think stock Android as well. (SD cards, support for non-standard bluetooth game controllers, CIFS, etc)


Wait... Android is getting crappier too? Why is the world going insane?!

*sigh* I guess that's just another reason to be glad that I'm waiting for the world of featureful, free smartphone OSes to catch up with the maturity level of Desktop Linux before considering a phone.

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RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez
by WorknMan on Thu 17th Oct 2013 19:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Wafflez"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Wait... Android is getting crappier too? Why is the world going insane?!


In some ways, it is. I mean, it still gets new features, but some stuff they're afraid might confuse grandma gets ripped out. USB OTG support? Not anymore ;) It's the war on power users. Although as with most things, you can still hack it back in.

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RE[3]: Comment by Wafflez
by terra on Thu 17th Oct 2013 21:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Wafflez"
terra Member since:
2012-11-01

When it comes to 3rd party utils on Windows, how many of us have never installed Teracopy, or ProcessExplorer, or a Windows Explorer replacement, or any number of other 3rd party utils to enhance the OS? Hell, in Windows 7, I used to have to install DaemonTools (to mount native ISOs) and Ultramon (to get task bars on multiple monitors), but I don't need either of these two on Windows 8. I also don't need USB 3.0 drivers, and the built-in task manager is actually decent.


I have never heard of Teracopy. I have never used any Windows Explorer replacement. And if you just say "3rd party utils", hell, no OS supports every of your needs! Please do NOT generalize your view as if it is common.

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RE[4]: Comment by Wafflez
by WorknMan on Thu 17th Oct 2013 21:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Wafflez"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

hell, no OS supports every of your needs!


Right, that was kind of my point. Classic Shell is just a 3rd party util in a long list of 3rd party utils that a lot of power users install. And some of these same people are now acting all butt hurt that they have to install a 3rd party util, and some of them were even using it on Windows 7!

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