Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Oct 2013 13:33 UTC
Windows

Less than a year ago we were preparing to launch Windows 8, which introduced our vision of highly personalized mobile computing. And here we are today announcing the global availability of Windows 8.1. Windows 8.1 demonstrates our commitment to continuously improving the product to create a richer customer experience. We are excited to have customers start updating their devices today and getting to experience new Windows devices this holiday season.

Out now for free for everyone with Windows 8.

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Eating humble pie...
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 17th Oct 2013 18:28 UTC
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

I helped a friend (who is decidedly not a tech blog reader) buy a laptop recently. I had heard negative things about windows 8 from them personally, so I was kind of shocked that they wanted windows 8 on the new laptop. I sat down with them to help them set it up, it turns out that this person now loves windows 8. There is a learning curve, but apparently its not that steep and somethings they added are a big hit ( like the curated app store).

I think at some point it will at least stop being a negative for people and they'll just accept that this is the way computers are now. Personally, I'll stick to a more traditional interface on KDE for now.

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RE: Eating humble pie...
by lucas_maximus on Thu 17th Oct 2013 18:51 in reply to "Eating humble pie..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The exact same thing happened with Windows Vista, Windows XP before it. Everyone moaned until they got used to it and it wasn't that bad really.

Any sort of change that is enforced however beneficial, is strongly opposed because it requires some learning.

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RE[2]: Eating humble pie...
by Nelson on Thu 17th Oct 2013 19:14 in reply to "RE: Eating humble pie..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Agreed. Often people don't know what's good for them.
Trust the usage data, not the user.

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RE[2]: Eating humble pie...
by ddc_ on Thu 17th Oct 2013 19:48 in reply to "RE: Eating humble pie..."
ddc_ Member since:
2006-12-05

The exact same thing happened with Windows Vista, Windows XP before it. Everyone moaned until they got used to it and it wasn't that bad really.

FWIW I still strongly believe that Luna UI theme (or what was that thing called those days) from Windows XP is the ugliest UI theme I've ever seen.

And though it isn't very popular now to do so, in contrast to all other Windows versions I genuinely like
UI of Windows 8. I even acquired a license and installed 8 (now updated to 8.1) as a secondary OS on my laptop. I boot it every dozen of days or so, and I only run Metro apps there, because I genuinely find them much more pleasant and less tasteless then "desktop" counterparts.

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RE[2]: Eating humble pie...
by ze_jerkface on Fri 18th Oct 2013 05:51 in reply to "RE: Eating humble pie..."
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Any sort of change that is enforced however beneficial, is strongly opposed because it requires some learning.


So if I force a UI on your desktop that goes into "rave mode" every 5 minutes where your icons spin around and you have to chase them down to restart your programs, it would still be beneficial since it is "change"?

You know there is actually something called productivity and Sinofsky didn't once explain how Metro improves productivity over the start menu. In fact he deleted points that showed how certain tasks required more clicks and or longer mouse strokes.

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RE: Eating humble pie...
by Luminair on Fri 18th Oct 2013 08:06 in reply to "Eating humble pie..."
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

Thom thought that too until he used it enough. It's fine for new users until they discover why it's not

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RE: Eating humble pie...
by biffuz on Fri 18th Oct 2013 09:57 in reply to "Eating humble pie..."
biffuz Member since:
2006-03-27

This is something I noticed myself too. But watching people using it, I believe the problem lies in the apps, not on the system itself - in other words, they like to use the new paradigm because the apps designed for it are easier to use (for what they want to do) compared to the same app (to do the same thing) designed for the previous paradigm.

And they're cooler.

OS designers should learn from this and redesign the builtin apps, before redesigning paradigms. There's a chance for the overlapping windows paradigm to survive, but only if it learns the from the new.

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