Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Oct 2013 13:33 UTC
Windows

Less than a year ago we were preparing to launch Windows 8, which introduced our vision of highly personalized mobile computing. And here we are today announcing the global availability of Windows 8.1. Windows 8.1 demonstrates our commitment to continuously improving the product to create a richer customer experience. We are excited to have customers start updating their devices today and getting to experience new Windows devices this holiday season.

Out now for free for everyone with Windows 8.

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RE: Eating humble pie...
by lucas_maximus on Thu 17th Oct 2013 18:51 UTC in reply to "Eating humble pie..."
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

The exact same thing happened with Windows Vista, Windows XP before it. Everyone moaned until they got used to it and it wasn't that bad really.

Any sort of change that is enforced however beneficial, is strongly opposed because it requires some learning.

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RE[2]: Eating humble pie...
by Nelson on Thu 17th Oct 2013 19:14 in reply to "RE: Eating humble pie..."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Agreed. Often people don't know what's good for them.
Trust the usage data, not the user.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Its a dangerous thing to start thinking that you are smarter than the customer at knowing what they need. If you are going to back that up by citing usage data, you'd better have a lot of statistically relevant data. That or have few competitors.

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RE[3]: Eating humble pie...
by lucas_maximus on Thu 17th Oct 2013 19:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Eating humble pie..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I wrote parts of this page: http://bit.ly/1cyKgcZ

The left hand navigation and the right hand navigation besides where it says "placepot" I wrote a basic set of ASP.NET web controls.

Guess which out of the two has more clicks?

It isn't the left hand side (which common sense and web design trends would dictate to be correct) ...

It is that nasty right hand side navigation (which is below the fold) that was demanded by other people in the business and we thought it would be never be used and has a few bugs because the XML feed that drives them has changed.

My manager and I were stunned.

Edited 2013-10-17 19:45 UTC

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RE[2]: Eating humble pie...
by ddc_ on Thu 17th Oct 2013 19:48 in reply to "RE: Eating humble pie..."
ddc_ Member since:
2006-12-05

The exact same thing happened with Windows Vista, Windows XP before it. Everyone moaned until they got used to it and it wasn't that bad really.

FWIW I still strongly believe that Luna UI theme (or what was that thing called those days) from Windows XP is the ugliest UI theme I've ever seen.

And though it isn't very popular now to do so, in contrast to all other Windows versions I genuinely like
UI of Windows 8. I even acquired a license and installed 8 (now updated to 8.1) as a secondary OS on my laptop. I boot it every dozen of days or so, and I only run Metro apps there, because I genuinely find them much more pleasant and less tasteless then "desktop" counterparts.

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RE[3]: Eating humble pie...
by moondevil on Thu 17th Oct 2013 21:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Eating humble pie..."
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

FWIW I still strongly believe that Luna UI theme (or what was that thing called those days) from Windows XP is the ugliest UI theme I've ever seen.


Actually one of the first things I used to do on XPs configured to use the Windows 2000 classic view was to set them back to Luna.

Not everyone likes the same things.

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RE[2]: Eating humble pie...
by ze_jerkface on Fri 18th Oct 2013 05:51 in reply to "RE: Eating humble pie..."
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Any sort of change that is enforced however beneficial, is strongly opposed because it requires some learning.


So if I force a UI on your desktop that goes into "rave mode" every 5 minutes where your icons spin around and you have to chase them down to restart your programs, it would still be beneficial since it is "change"?

You know there is actually something called productivity and Sinofsky didn't once explain how Metro improves productivity over the start menu. In fact he deleted points that showed how certain tasks required more clicks and or longer mouse strokes.

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