Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Oct 2013 22:05 UTC, submitted by Drumhellar
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu

After the customary six months of incubation, Ubuntu 13.10 - codenamed Saucy Salamander - has hatched. The new version of the popular Linux distribution brings updated applications and several new features, including augmented search capabilities in the Unity desktop shell.

Although Saucy Salamander offers some useful improvements, it's a relatively thin update. XMir, the most noteworthy item on the 13.10 roadmap, was ultimately deferred for inclusion in a future release. Canonical's efforts during the Saucy development cycle were largely focused on the company's new display server and upcoming Unity overhaul, but neither is yet ready for the desktop.

It's also the first version available for phones. Well, for the Nexus 4.

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Ubuntu Server
by evert on Fri 18th Oct 2013 09:39 UTC
evert
Member since:
2005-07-06

I accidentally installed Ubuntu Server yesterday, unaware of the fact they just released it earlier that day.

The installation was easy and straightforward. In fact, I liked it better then Scientific Linux 6.4 (RHEL clone), but I still use SL when security (SELinux) and stability are top priority.

The text-based installer of Ubuntu gives more flexibility in choosing (groups of packages). Also installing daemons is easier, as they are configured to start on bootup automatically, and also started after installation immediately. Basically, it's more geared to ease of use, with more packages available in the repo, so it might be a better choice when you have a test or development system or a server that is not exposed too much to the outside world. AppArmor delivers much of the same as SELinux does, although the latter is more secure. Still I have more trust in RHEL for exposed production systems. I remember Grub troubles and Plymouth nightmares from earlier Ubuntu Server days.

Also I have a Windows 2012 server installation. Well... the differences between Ubuntu Server and RHEL are negligible in comparison. Let's not talk about installation and the update system, that's already bad enough for Windows Server, but in the table below, I've already set win2012 low on RAM while the other two have plenty of free memory.

OS VM Memory in KiB
win2012 exchange 5242880
SL 6.4 mailfilter 1048576
SL 6.4 www 2097152

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RE: Ubuntu Server
by rklrkl on Fri 18th Oct 2013 11:26 in reply to "Ubuntu Server"
rklrkl Member since:
2005-07-06

Just a note that if you are intending to use Ubuntu Server in a production environment, I would stick with the 12.04 LTS release, which gets 5 years of updates (until 2017), whereas the new 13.10 release appears to only get a year of updates if http://www.ubuntu.com/server is to be believed (which is frankly useless for a server OS).

Nice to see that 64-bit desktop Ubuntu is finally the "recommended" bitness (8 years after I started using 64-bit Linux), although I wish the torrent download links got equal prominence with the direct download links...

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RE[2]: Ubuntu Server
by j-kidd on Sat 19th Oct 2013 02:10 in reply to "RE: Ubuntu Server"
j-kidd Member since:
2005-07-06

The problem with using LTS releases such as 12.04 is that you will end up with packages from all over the place, e.g.

- ruby 2.0.0-p247 (LTS: 1.8.7-p352, Jul 2011) - self-compile based on https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/wiki/Ruby
- redis 2.6.16 (LTS: 2.2.12, Jul 2011) - ppa:rwky/redis
- haproxy 1.4.24 (LTS: 1.4.18, Sep 2011) - ppa:chris-lea/haproxy
- nodejs 0.10.20 (LTS: 0.6.12, Mar 2012) - ppa:chris-lea/node.js
- php 5.4.20 (LTS: 5.3.10, Feb 2012) - ppa:ondrej/php5
- apache 2.4.6 (LTS: 2.2.22, Jan 2012) - ppa:ondrej/apache2
- nginx 1.4.3 (LTS: 1.1.19, Apr 2012) - deb http://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/ precise nginx
- postgresql 9.3.1 (LTS: 9.1.9, Apr 2013) - deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ precise-pgdg main
- zfsonlinux 0.6.2 (LTS: none) - ppa:zfs-native/stable

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RE: Ubuntu Server
by Soulbender on Fri 18th Oct 2013 19:17 in reply to "Ubuntu Server"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I accidentally installed Ubuntu Server yesterday


How do you accidentally install an operating system?

but I still use SL when security (SELinux) and stability are top priority.


I am still, after almost 20 years, to notice any significant server stability differences between distros.

AppArmor delivers much of the same as SELinux does, although the latter is more secure.


SELinux seems to exist for the sole purpose of people disabling it.

Still I have more trust in RHEL for exposed production systems.


There's really little to no practical differences between distros in this aspect.

OS VM Memory in KiB
win2012 exchange 5242880
SL 6.4 mailfilter 1048576
SL 6.4 www 2097152


Uh, so you compare Windows running a heavy, full-featured service like Exchange to Linux running apache/nginx/whatever and a simple mailfilter. yeah, ok...
A fairer comparison would have been with running something like Zimbra on Linux.

Edited 2013-10-18 19:21 UTC

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RE[2]: Ubuntu Server
by Vanders on Fri 18th Oct 2013 21:24 in reply to "RE: Ubuntu Server"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

"setenforce permissive", the only command you ever need when dealing with SELinux. I've yet to work in a single job, or with a single person, who ever thought SELinux was worth the effort. Even apparmor has proved to be a bit of stretch.

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RE[2]: Ubuntu Server
by evert on Fri 18th Oct 2013 23:38 in reply to "RE: Ubuntu Server"
evert Member since:
2005-07-06

How do you accidentally install an operating system


Ever heard of personal / fun / hobby ?? It might be a hard concept for you.


I am still, after almost 20 years, to notice any significant server stability differences between distros.


I gave a few examples. YMMV. The grub -> grub2 update in Ubuntu took down my personal server.

SELinux seems to exist for the sole purpose of people disabling it.


So that's your standard then?

There's really little to no practical differences between distros in this aspect.


Yes there is. Not in your case, if you disable SELinux. Unresponsibility makes "practical differenses" disappear.

Uh, so you compare Windows running a heavy, full-featured service like Exchange to Linux running apache/nginx/whatever and a simple mailfilter. yeah, ok...
A fairer comparison would have been with running something like Zimbra on Linux.


Heavy, yes. Windows is heavy, mostly without good reason. Full-featured? Are you trolling?

Really?

http://www.zimbra.com/docs/os/6.0.8/administration_guide/2_Overview...

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