Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th Oct 2013 14:26 UTC
Apple

This fascinating documentary was filmed from December 1985 to March 1986 at NeXT's team retreat in Pebble Beach. It offers a rare glimpse of Steve's vision, aspirations and managerial approach.

Remarkable documentary - several planning meetings and discussions during NeXT's early days, with Steve Jobs and his team, many of which also worked on the Macintosh. You have to see this.

Via Typographica.

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RE[5]: Sorry
by burnttoys on Mon 28th Oct 2013 22:36 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Sorry"
burnttoys
Member since:
2008-12-20

TBH I have no idea why I'm replying to you but here goes.

What was it that Steve Wozniak _invented_? You could argue that it was the Apple I & II.

Think about that - all of those components that made up those machines existed in other places. The disk interface, the VDD, keyboard interface etc etc etc. Now, don't get me wrong, it seem Woz did a pretty killer job on shrinking, refining, re-imagining and integrating those and new components. Maybe some new stuff popped up along the way.

Now - let's look at the other Steve - he didn't write the code, he didn't build a whack new disk interface but it is (arguable, natch) that few people at the time had it in their minds that graphics would be the big thing and that every person would want to get their hands on a computer. Jobs _did_ have that "vision" in mind (vision is a shallow term loved by journalist who wish to over-emphasis "idea").

He found those ideas and the code, patents, concepts "out there" in the same way that Woz, Burrell and the other legends of early Apple found RAM chips and the 6502.

Does that make any sense?!

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RE[6]: Sorry
by Kochise on Tue 29th Oct 2013 06:04 in reply to "RE[5]: Sorry"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

It makes even more sense in the fact that clever Woz engineered FDC or Burrel RAM bus are nothing out of Jobs' concept of the Macintosh. Or the colorful iMac that has set of fire the computer industry at the early 2000, or the iPhone when other smartphones existed before.

You can buy raw silicon per ton if you want, but Apple products are unmatched in making that dark and cold silicon do smarter things that the average opponent. And that's Steve that pushed the "vision" ever further.

Now I admit the "revolutionary, fantastic, never seen before, etc" babbles annoyed me as much as many people. This is just some fancy high-tech stuff, nothing that will make the air cleaner, water fresher, earth spinning faster, people less dumb.

Kochise

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RE[6]: Sorry
by kckc on Tue 29th Oct 2013 12:12 in reply to "RE[5]: Sorry"
kckc Member since:
2011-01-06

Just to strengthen your claims about "stealing", ups sorry "finding" those ideas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdrKWArr3XY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxEmJu8OSug

And about his remarkable vision:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhVQ1UG6aM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIgzSoTMOs

Now compare the dates of those videos to founding of Apple Inc, and release dates of "legendary" apple products.

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RE[7]: Sorry
by burnttoys on Tue 29th Oct 2013 13:24 in reply to "RE[6]: Sorry"
burnttoys Member since:
2008-12-20

I admit that I only scanned the videos as I am very well acquainted with the work of Mr Engelbart & Mr Kay.

Apple licensed the GUI concepts from Xerox (PARC) after seeing them prior to initial work on the Mac. Those concepts had been bouncing around inside Xerox for a few years and if they had stayed there would, probably, still be there. All Xerox tried to do was sell an insanely expensive office "solution". It appeared they had no deep idea or vision about what this technology means. To summarise that, this technology (the GUI) is not about running offices or making the world paperless - it is about the communications medium between man and machine. Xerox, at least at management level, just saw "paperless office" not "conversing with a computer".

What, famously, happened next (as I recall from Byte BITD) was a 3 way Mexican stand-off between Xerox, Apple and Microsoft.

As for Alan Kay, well, he worked for Apple! I know this video predates his investiture there but that is of little purpose and only highlights that Steve Jobs understood how Alan Kay's vision could purpose his own.

As for Doug - well, flat out, the guys a genius and lightyears ahead of the curve. Just about everybody that came after him owes him a debt both of gratitude and, probably, money!

The suggestion appears to be that to avoid the label of "thief" Steve Jobs must have had to have written every last line of code, had every insight into man-machine interfaces, purified every silicon wafer and etched every PCB trace.That argument would be impotent.

Steve Jobs, like Bill Gates, possessed an idea and went out to find every last scrap of resource that could be used to create that idea. A PC on every desktop. A bicycle for the mind.

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