Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th Oct 2013 14:26 UTC
Apple

This fascinating documentary was filmed from December 1985 to March 1986 at NeXT's team retreat in Pebble Beach. It offers a rare glimpse of Steve's vision, aspirations and managerial approach.

Remarkable documentary - several planning meetings and discussions during NeXT's early days, with Steve Jobs and his team, many of which also worked on the Macintosh. You have to see this.

Via Typographica.

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by pandronic on Tue 29th Oct 2013 12:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment titles are useless"
pandronic
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2006-05-18

Well, they don't want to learn. I they did, they would have done it already. In an ideal situation, society would force these people to learn in order to better itself.

It would have been nice if things happened some other way on the one hand (I think it would've been enough if Jobs didn't rise to power in the 2000s) and on the other I'm not alright with the fact that Jobs is venerated for being just a business man that did his job.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Well, they don't want to learn. I they did, they would have done it already. In an ideal situation, society would force these people to learn in order to better itself.

You can't force that. Either you wish to better yourself or you do not, and who's to say what is "betering" yourself anyway? Got a relative of mine that can instantly diagnose anything wrong with any automobile made in the past 40 years, no shit. They can figure it out and fix it, usually in a span of hours. They did not go to school for this, and were not "forced" to "better" themselves and yet they did because it was something they both liked and knew there was a market for. On the other hand, sit this person down in front of a computer and about all they know how to do is click on one of their bookmarked links.
You can't force people to become "better" by your definition. That's been tried before. We do still remember the result, yes?
Either a person wishes to learn about a given subject or they do not. Those who do will learn regardless of what others do, and those who do not will refuse to be forced and will reject being taught. You can try to get people interested in learning a given subject and that can and often does work, but you can never force a desire for it upon them.

It would have been nice if things happened some other way on the one hand (I think it would've been enough if Jobs didn't rise to power in the 2000s)

Now who's revising history? Anyone, remember the early 2000s windows users? Did they show any signs whatsoever of wishing to understand security practices or even the least desire to know why their computer was popping up ads all over the place? Let's go back further, how about the mid 90s before Jobs "rose to power." Anyone?

and on the other I'm not alright with the fact that Jobs is venerated for being just a business man that did his job.

Now here we agree. A businessman, no more no less, is exactly what he was. There's nothing wrong with that and he was damn good at his job, but let's not kid ourselves.

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pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

Using a computer and fixing a car is not the same thing. In today's world, using a computer is as important as reading and writing. Especially in urban environments you can't function properly if you don't have some knowledge about computing. It's a basic skill, yet people refuse to learn it properly. And as time goes by, we will become more and more dependent of computers and things will only get worse. For now, smart people suffer because of those who can't be bothered to educate themselves for their own good. It's real life Idiocracy and it's Steve Jobs who started it all.

We force people to go to school and learn reading and writing and basic math. Why can't we make them learn basic computing? It's not like I'm asking they learn origami.

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