Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Nov 2013 23:06 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

I've always known this, and I'm sure most of you do too, but we never really talk about it. Every smartphone or other device with mobile communications capability (e.g. 3G or LTE) actually runs not one, but two operating systems. Aside from the operating system that we as end-users see (Android, iOS, PalmOS), it also runs a small operating system that manages everything related to radio. Since this functionality is highly timing-dependent, a real-time operating system is required.

This operating system is stored in firmware, and runs on the baseband processor. As far as I know, this baseband RTOS is always entirely proprietary. For instance, the RTOS inside Qualcomm baseband processors (in this specific case, the MSM6280) is called AMSS, built upon their own proprietary REX kernel, and is made up of 69 concurrent tasks, handling everything from USB to GPS. It runs on an ARMv5 processor.

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Comment by OsQar
by OsQar on Wed 13th Nov 2013 09:51 UTC
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I'm not a security expert at all, but I've been working on mobile radio access technologies for several years, so I feel quite confident to say that some or your claims are wrong. E.g:

"The standards that govern how these baseband processors and radios work were designed in the '80s, ending up with a complicated codebase written in the '90s - complete with a '90s attitude towards security."
Well, GSM's baseband was developed from late 80's to early 90's, UMTS' from late 90's to early 00's, and LTE's can be now be considered almost finished. I know that GSM is not secure at all now (it was when it was released, but now it has been cracked), but I'm not so sure about UMTS (CDMA is very hard to demodulate, so cracking is even worse) and LTE (OFDMA is quite a headache).

"What makes it even worse, is that every baseband processor inherently trusts whatever data it receives from a base station (e.g. in a cell tower). Nothing is checked, everything is automatically trusted."
This is NOT TRUE. At all. Even from GSM times. Handheld devices run a bunchload of ID checks to know what basestation is sending data; and basestations also carefully allocate and check mobile ID's. This is especially true in UMTS (where you have to discriminate interferring users by using pseudorandom codes) and LTE (where you even need angle-of-arrival information to reach more users).

So, I'm not claiming that mobile basebands are inherently secure, but they're definitively not based on 80's security technology.
On the other hand, I agree with your viewpoint that the closed implementations and the huge standards are not the best way to allow the community to check for security bugs. But manufacturers are the main supporters of actual standardization bodies, so it's quite complicated to fight against it.

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RE: Comment by OsQar
by fuckregistration on Wed 13th Nov 2013 23:25 in reply to "Comment by OsQar"
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So, I'm not claiming that mobile basebands are inherently secure, but they're definitively not based on 80's security technology.

No? Where does that claim come from?
GSM is a set of standards written in the 80s. Go to the ETSI website and look it up.
UMTS and LTE are newer, but that's a different topic.

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RE[2]: Comment by OsQar
by benytocamela on Thu 14th Nov 2013 19:31 in reply to "RE: Comment by OsQar"
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Uh? He gave a concise reason regarding some of the newer basebands.

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